The Ashes 25/26

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dedja wrote:I agree Jamie Smith is a poor keeper, that’s unlikely to change anytime soon, so my point was about his batting.

It begs the question though, in the main, excluding Alex Carey who is up there as a very good one, are the days of a specialist keeper now a bygone era?

It goes to some of the previous commentary, are cricketers being raised for Test cricket or the riches in the other forms of the game which are dominating because of the cash cows they are to not only the players, but to the cricket boards and the tournament operators.
Unless a keeper can bat well, he's not getting a chance, but I don't think it's the era of big money T20 tournaments that has made it this way.

I think the standards have been raised and keeping is still very much a specialist skill. You have to be a good keeper and a good bat to last the distance, however, you're more of a chance to get an opportunity if you show high quality with the bat and I'm not sure the likes of Ian Healy are getting a look in any more - even though he was considered a good batsman (for a keeper) of his era.

How many Tests did Matthew Wade play as keeper? If they had ignored Wade's keeping, Lyon would've been stuck at 100 Test wickets.

We've seen the tactics used this series with Carey up to the stumps to Boland and Neser, which were brilliantly thought out and even more brilliantly pulled off by Carey. Similarly on the sub-continent to spin, if you're not a high class keeper you're doing the team a huge disservice.

I'm no expert on how good keepers' around the world are and how they might rank to those gone before them - especially on the subcontinent. But I remember Alec Stewart getting the nod in front of Jack Russell, watching as a kid, so this argument has been going on for a fair while. The Sri Lankan Kaluwitharana revolutionised the white ball game in a similar era and was followed by the great Sangakkara, who along with Gilchrist, forever raised the batting expectations of keepers in Test cricket, albeit Sangakarra's top order batting saw him play as often as a specialist batsmen as he did also donning the gloves, which says something of the speciality of the skillset at least in his era.

I'm not sure how the fundamentals of keeping would change if you were raising a kid to be a T20 keeper vs a Test keeper and with regards to batting, long before T20's were a thing, keepers had a bit of a licence to be aggressive batsman in Test cricket.
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Re: The Ashes 25/26

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Now the story of Brook, the captain being out at 2 am in an altercation with a bouncer approximately 12 hours before he was due to toss the coin in an ODI has broken. :shock: :shock:

It really has been a tour from hell so poorly managed that makes our Micky Arthur regime look professional.

I struggle to see how McCullum keeps his job. Gets rid of the fielding coach and they drop 19 catches. Has his straight breaking kiwi mate as the spin coach but dont play a spinner. Lets his Kiwi mate bowling coach go play the ILT during the ASHES.

Hope we lok in on how they went about it and make sure we dont repeat those mistakes in 2027
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valleys07 wrote:
carey wrote:Give that England line up to the best coach in the history of Cricket to they win this ashes series. No

How many of the English side get a game in the Aussie line up? Very few. Root and Stokes?

Facts are, Australia are a much better side than England. Simple as that.

They also probably have the worst keeper and spinner in world cricket.
I'd have Josh Tongue ahead of Neser and would find a spot in the side for Bethell, who I think has loads of talent.

Outside of those 4, I struggle to mount a case for the rest.
Cmon lads brook is a doofus but hes comfortably in that aussie team. Averaged more then most the Aussies this series even with his stupidity and facing a much better bowling line up.
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valleys07 wrote:
carey wrote:Give that England line up to the best coach in the history of Cricket to they win this ashes series. No

How many of the English side get a game in the Aussie line up? Very few. Root and Stokes?

Facts are, Australia are a much better side than England. Simple as that.

They also probably have the worst keeper and spinner in world cricket.
I'd have Josh Tongue ahead of Neser and would find a spot in the side for Bethell, who I think has loads of talent.

Outside of those 4, I struggle to mount a case for the rest.
Imagine Tongue being in the Australian side (pun) with a good coach, good support bowlers and better game plan. He'd be a genuine gun.
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I genuinely thought this series would have been closer than 4-1 not complaining of course. England should have won the first test to be honest had us on toast then threw it away playing this bazball crap which was never going to work in australia.
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The Dark Knight wrote:Beau Webster or Cam Green? Twice- 39 seconds and then 3 mins and 40 seconds in.

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England white-ball captain Harry Brook on Wednesday admitted it was “not the right thing to do” to get into an altercation with a nightclub bouncer in New Zealand, but insisted “I’ve learnt from my mistakes”.

The 26-year-old was fined £30,000 (AU$60,000) by the England and Wales Cricket Board after the incident in Wellington the night before a one-day international.

England lost the match the next day with Brook scoring just six.

“I’ve learnt from my mistakes,” Brook told reporters in Colombo where England face Sri Lanka in a three-match ODI series beginning on Thursday.

“I’ve reflected a lot and I know it wasn’t the right thing to do,” he said, speaking publicly for the first time about the incident on the tour that preceded the Ashes series, which England lost 4-1.

“I want to apologise to my teammates, the fans and the ECB for putting them in a tricky situation,” said Brook, who will lead England in next month’s T20 World Cup in India and Sri Lanka.

“It will never happen again. I’m extremely sorry.”

Pressed on the incident, Brook added: “I was just trying to get into a club and the bouncer just clocked me, unfortunately.

“I wouldn’t say I was absolutely leathered. I’d had one too many drinks.

“Obviously I made a terrible mistake, not only as a player, but as a captain. It’s very unprofessional and I should be leading from the front and showing the players how it should be as a professional cricketer and a captain. I put myself in a bad situation, which I shouldn’t have done.”

Brook also revealed that England Test captain “wasn’t best pleased” over the incident.

Asked if he was lucky to still be England’s white-ball captain, Brook confessed: “Probably slightly, yeah.”

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Could you imagine if the Test was played in Adelaide over the Australia Day weekend! England and the Barmy Army would have become shrivelled prunes. Unreal temps.
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LaughingKookaburra wrote:Could you imagine if the Test was played in Adelaide over the Australia Day weekend! England and the Barmy Army would have become shrivelled prunes. Unreal temps.
It was pretty bloody warm when they were here. around the 40 mark for the first two days for memory.
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LaughingKookaburra wrote:Could you imagine if the Test was played in Adelaide over the Australia Day weekend! England and the Barmy Army would have become shrivelled prunes. Unreal temps.
I’ve got some pommy friends who are now citizens here. Whenever their family or friends come over from the homeland, they always come in summer and love it when its stinking hot. They also can't go back until they have the darkest tan they can get :lol:

They’ll probably all die from skin cancer though. #-o
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