Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

[woodublieve12]

Here comes WORK CHOICES!!!

but all the liberal people on here got stuck into me and said i was an idiot that there would be no chance that would happen when i bought it up before the election

[tigerpie]

I love the fact that one of his own team has shot him down publicly re. SPC. But so glad she came out with the facts.

Straight away these tools blame the workers and unions. Its never managements fault for innefficient work practices...ever!

[Gozu]

For anyone that missed it, here is the Lib infighting:

LIBERAL MP Sharman Stone has written to Prime Minister Tony Abbott to urge him to rethink his decision not to support troubled fruit canner SPC Ardmona, saying the company already has its house in order.

Dr Stone is not backing down from her charge that the PM misled the public.

"The things that were stated were not true and not true equals - could be called a lie, absolutely.''

But Liberal MP Josh Frydenberg rejected Dr Stone's claims.

"Of course the prime minister is not lying as Sharman Stone has said,'' he told Sky News.

The government took a "principled, consistent'' position on the issue and Dr Stone should accept the decision.

http://www.news.com.au/national/liberal ... 6818325113

[shoe boy]

I hope those that elected this crowd remember when they next get to vote!!

Abbot you are no friend of mine or the worker you red neck religious fanatical dog.

[Bully]

Corrupt unions hey tell us something we didn't know .

[Psyber]

Here comes WORK CHOICES!!!

but all the liberal people on here got stuck into me and said i was an idiot that there would be no chance that would happen when i bought it up before the election

It hasn't actually happened yet, and the review may suggest it isn't the solution, and that review may be accepted.
As a Liberal Party member I'll certainly be campaigning against any resurrection of Work Choices.

I'll also support retaining penalty rates for weekend work, but I think a review to see if they are reasonable or excessive in some areas is worth undertaking.

I was an employer who paid over award wages to good staff from 1975 to 1987, but I stopped employing anyone but my wife at the end of that year because it was eating an increasing proportion of my gross turnover and requiring a lot more paperwork I was not being paid at all for doing...
(In a small business, with only a few employees the owner gets to do all that stuff outside his working hours.)

[The Sleeping Giant]

I was an employer who paid over award wages to good staff from 1975 to 1987, but I stopped employing anyone but my wife at the end of that year because it was eating an increasing proportion of my gross turnover and requiring a lot more paperwork I was not being paid at all for doing...

Slave labor is always a smart financial decision.

[Psyber]

I was an employer who paid over award wages to good staff from 1975 to 1987, but I stopped employing anyone but my wife at the end of that year because it was eating an increasing proportion of my gross turnover and requiring a lot more paperwork I was not being paid at all for doing...

Slave labor is always a smart financial decision.

I paid her award wages but she did the paperwork for me as she had been, previously, running Duplicate Cheques in the SA branch of what is now Centrelink. Also, I could rely on her to have the motivation to do it accurately so I didn't have to do it myself.

AND I figured she was spending most of the income anyway...

[Bully]

Toyota is now gone .

I would say that's abbotts fault

[Jimmy_041]

Toyota is now gone .

I would say that's abbotts fault

You pushed the "Button" there
We should have always protected the 3 car manufacturers that stayed by hitting those countries that subsidise their manufacturers with tariffs.
Problem is, we've been doing it too, so we've got no right to complain.
Now how do we make our war time vehicles when we need them?
Thats why most countries say its in the national interest to keep them going.
Travelling up the Southern Expressway yesterday, I count 6 locally made cars out of the 45 I saw.
That's why they're leaving

[dedja]

Couldn't disagree more. Whilst very sad to see Ford, Holden and now Toyota go, there has never been a greater range of cars for an Australian consumer to buy. This would never have occurred if the tariffs had stayed so artificially high.

After owning Fords and Holden's for years, I haven't touched either for over 10 years and (as a consumer) couldn't be happier.

[bennymacca]

Couldn't disagree more. Whilst very sad to see Ford, Holden and now Toyota go, there has never been a greater range of cars for an Australian consumer to buy. This would never have occurred if the tariffs had stayed so artificially high.

After owning Fords and Holden's for years, I haven't touched either for over 10 years and (as a consumer) couldn't be happier.

instead of adapting 20 years ago to the influx of cheaper japanese and korean cars, the local manufacturers complained that tariffs werent high enough. and didnt really change their business model once the tariffs were removed. what they should have done was started to make high end cars, where they could have competed - no reason why holden couldnt build a car to the same standards as mercedes - but they continued to make consumer level big passenger cars, when smaller, cheaper, higher quality and more fuel efficient alternatives were available from asia and they were never going to compete with that.

[Jimmy_041]

Couldn't disagree more. Whilst very sad to see Ford, Holden and now Toyota go, there has never been a greater range of cars for an Australian consumer to buy. This would never have occurred if the tariffs had stayed so artificially high.

After owning Fords and Holden's for years, I haven't touched either for over 10 years and (as a consumer) couldn't be happier.

My cheek was hurting from the tongue pressure
Nothing worse than a console with blanks in it which both GMH and Ford dished up
Remember the one year warranty on a $40k car? Showed what they thought of their work

[dedja]

for beginners, all posts that take the piss must be accompanies by one of these ...

[Bully]

Toyota is now gone .

I would say that's abbotts fault

You pushed the "Button" there
We should have always protected the 3 car manufacturers that stayed by hitting those countries that subsidise their manufacturers with tariffs.
Problem is, we've been doing it too, so we've got no right to complain.
Now how do we make our war time vehicles when we need them?
Thats why most countries say its in the national interest to keep them going.
Travelling up the Southern Expressway yesterday, I count 6 locally made cars out of the 45 I saw.
That's why they're leaving

not sure if you are joking here when saying the button was pushed, but I was joking in my original post.

everything is blamed on tony from the labor fans on this forum, is my point. Even corby doing 9 years for drugs, that was tonys fault also....

I was just getting in early

[Psyber]

The decline of manufacturing in Australia has a long and complex history...

Background:

1. In 1955 a very basic Holden FJ cost 999 Pounds ($AU 1998.00). My father's annual income that year as a clerk in the pay office at the Islington workshops was 999 Pounds, and he couldn't afford to buy one. My sister was doing better (in Real Estate) and she did. In today's money I estimate that is about $40,000 for a very basic car.

2. In 1967 a Holden HR Premier cost $2700 approximately when I bought one. I was a young doctor about to start working in the RAH on a salary of $5400. That is equivalent to about $ $65000 for the car compared with today's equivalent salary.

3. In 1975 I bought an Australian made Rank Arena 14" colour TV for $450, My annual salary as a young medical specialist in a public hospital was $16000. That price is equivalent to $4500 for an 14" TV in today's money.

It all began to change with the development of our national passion for free trade and gradually phasing out Tariff barriers during the mid to late 1980s. Overseas goods started entering the country more cheaply that we could make them here - production costs are largely proportional to wages. In theory, being "The Clever Country", we were going too offset this disadvantage through innovation and productivity rises. It didn't happen.

Having dropped the Tariffs we can't put them back - as soon as prices started to rise any government that started that process would be thrown out at the next election. So we subsidise our industries that can't make a profit with grants. But for how long, and how big do we allow the grants, and our deficit, to get.

I agree there are other issues like choosing to make cars the people want to buy, for example, but we are never going to be able to manufacture in our environment and be competitive with low wage countries. We may be competitive in technological areas where we have expertise our low wage competitors lack, but for how long? Indian and China are showing signs of outstripping us there too.

Could our car industry compete in the high end market? Saab is gone. Volvo is owned by someone else - I'm not sure whether it is Ford. The British luxury car industry - what is left of it - is not UK owned. VW/Audi/Porsche are a conglomerate starting to make their components in low wage places like the Czech Republic.

I don't have the answer, but I believe we cannot have the cheap goods we have today and expect to make them here.

[Mr Beefy]

I like the way you have aged, you were young in 1967 and still young 8 years later in 1975.

The RRP for a Holden Calais which might be the equivalent model of a Prem, is $45k, which is $20k less than the equivalent in today's salary terms?

[Jimmy_041]

Toyota is now gone .

I would say that's abbotts fault

You pushed the "Button" there
We should have always protected the 3 car manufacturers that stayed by hitting those countries that subsidise their manufacturers with tariffs.
Problem is, we've been doing it too, so we've got no right to complain.
Now how do we make our war time vehicles when we need them?
Thats why most countries say its in the national interest to keep them going.
Travelling up the Southern Expressway yesterday, I count 6 locally made cars out of the 45 I saw.
That's why they're leaving

not sure if you are joking here when saying the button was pushed, but I was joking in my original post.

everything is blamed on tony from the labor fans on this forum, is my point. Even corby doing 9 years for drugs, that was tonys fault also....

I was just getting in early

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Button_car_plan

[Bully]

The decline of manufacturing in Australia has a long and complex history...

Background:

1. In 1955 a very basic Holden FJ cost 999 Pounds ($AU 1998.00). My father's annual income that year as a clerk in the pay office at the Islington workshops was 999 Pounds, and he couldn't afford to buy one. My sister was doing better (in Real Estate) and she did. In today's money I estimate that is about $40,000 for a very basic car.

2. In 1967 a Holden HR Premier cost $2700 approximately when I bought one. I was a young doctor about to start working in the RAH on a salary of $5400. That is equivalent to about $ $65000 for the car compared with today's equivalent salary.

3. In 1975 I bought an Australian made Rank Arena 14" colour TV for $450, My annual salary as a young medical specialist in a public hospital was $16000. That price is equivalent to $4500 for an 14" TV in today's money.

It all began to change with the development of our national passion for free trade and gradually phasing out Tariff barriers during the mid to late 1980s. Overseas goods started entering the country more cheaply that we could make them here - production costs are largely proportional to wages. In theory, being "The Clever Country", we were going too offset this disadvantage through innovation and productivity rises. It didn't happen.

Having dropped the Tariffs we can't put them back - as soon as prices started to rise any government that started that process would be thrown out at the next election. So we subsidise our industries that can't make a profit with grants. But for how long, and how big do we allow the grants, and our deficit, to get.

I agree there are other issues like choosing to make cars the people want to buy, for example, but we are never going to be able to manufacture in our environment and be competitive with low wage countries. We may be competitive in technological areas where we have expertise our low wage competitors lack, but for how long? Indian and China are showing signs of outstripping us there too.

Could our car industry compete in the high end market? Saab is gone. Volvo is owned by someone else - I'm not sure whether it is Ford. The British luxury car industry - what is left of it - is not UK owned. VW/Audi/Porsche are a conglomerate starting to make their components in low wage places like the Czech Republic.

I don't have the answer, but I believe we cannot have the cheap goods we have today and expect to make them here.

it begun when Nissan, the mitsu pulled out. I am sure Mr hawke did a free trade with overseas cars manufacturer countries which killed off aussie built cars. ( could be wrong there )

All jokes aside, another one gone, whoevers fault it is or was, its a sad day again

[Leaping Lindner]

So....when does Australia "open for business"???