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[mighty_tiger_79]

Politicians are held accountable at election time.

[Booney]

Politicians are held accountable at election time.

Is that comment meant to be read positively or negatively?

[shoe boy]

When you have 90 mil Americans that did not vote which is more than Trump and Harris received you get chaos ! Democracy?

[mighty_tiger_79]

Politicians are held accountable at election time.

Is that comment meant to be read positively or negatively?

Both.
It's a positive to vote them out.
The negative is the new guys aren't any better

[wenchbarwer]

Politicians are held accountable at election time.

Is that comment meant to be read positively or negatively?

Both.
It's a positive to vote them out.
The negative is the new guys aren't any better

South Park called it 20 years ago

[Booney]

So Trumps tariffs on cars will see some cars rise by $12,000, a small Kia will go from around $30k to $37.5k.

His plan? Freeze the tariffs for 3 months to "give manufacturers time to move their manufacturing into the US"

[wenchbarwer]

So Trumps tariffs on cars will see some cars rise by $12,000, a small Kia will go from around $30k to $37.5k.

His plan? Freeze the tariffs for 3 months to "give manufacturers time to move their manufacturing into the US"

A Dodge RAM will go up $20K to now cost $100K, that is really gonna affect his demographic

[dedja]

Politicians are held accountable at election time.

Ultimately, yes, but that doesn’t give them a free pass between them.

Trump is who the majority of Americans who voted in the last Presidential election wanted in power. No matter how gross and disgusting that thought is, somehow it happened and has to be acknowledged and respected that he is legitimately in power.

The problem is that he is systematically derailing as many guard rails as he can. Anyone who is not a homosexual white male is fair game to be sacked, no matter how qualified or the nature of their office. He is victimising anyone in the Dept of Justice who was involved in any of the criminal cases against him. He is openly defying the justice system which is trying to uphold the Law and the Constitution, knowing that there’s a fair chance the Supreme Court will have his back (Clarence Thomas is blatantly corrupt, whilst Samual Alito is almost always in his pocket, and Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett are sometimes willing to do his bidding ). The Republican Party has become completely and totally subservient.

As such, the 3 equal branches of the US Government are no such thing now. The Legislative, Executive and Judicial branches are equal in terms of the US Constitution, but effectively not any more.

Company executives are cowering to appease him for fear of retribution. He is demanding total subservience from everyone, and seemingly most are complying.

He has somehow corrupted the moral fibre of the entire country, and there doesn’t seem to be a way to hold him accountable.

This is totally disgusting and unimaginable that it could have happened to the US … but it has.

Yes, and yet he did win the last Presidential election only 4 months ago.

As an aside, I’ve recently watches a few episodes of The Open Book by Anthony Scaramucci, something I didn’t think I’d ever do, but is has been enlightening to hear about the thoughts of credible sources within Trumps inner circle.

Scaramucci claims that no-one, and he means no-one, likes Trump, including his children and especially Melania, whom he says absolutely despises Trump. He goes into the psyche of why people want to be around Trump, even though he disgusts them and they know he will treat them like shit.

It is one of the planet’s greatest mysteries is why people want to be around and back Trump. Scaramucci talks of how Rupert Murdoch absolutely despised Trump, and tried to part with him after he lost against Biden, but came back begging to Trump to be welcome back when Fox News was tanking when it belatedly tried to abandon Trump.

It’s completely insane.

[mighty_tiger_79]

They can vote him out in 4yrs....
But civil war may have erupted by then

[Jimmy_041]

They can vote him out in 4yrs....
But civil war may have erupted by then

No they can't (unless he changes the Constitution)

[Jimmy_041]

As an aside, I’ve recently watches a few episodes of The Open Book by Anthony Scaramucci, something I didn’t think I’d ever do, but is has been enlightening to hear about the thoughts of credible sources within Trumps inner circle.

It’s completely insane.

Thanks for the tip on The Open Book

Have you watched The Comey Rule?

[whufc]

Politicians are held accountable at election time.

This is where i have the issue. In that yes they can be held accountable at election but ultimately, we are voting with so little knowledge on what is legitimate and what is not legitimate.

The 'average punter' can scroll through ten news stories and i guarantee you in 12 months' time 5 articles will say tariffs were great for America for reason x, y,z (maybe indirect reasons) and the next 5 will say they were bad for America because of x,y,z.

The average punter won't have time to go and study the ins and outs of international tariffs so will be forced to believe one side of the story. They will make that decision on whose personality resonates with them the most and whose marketing attracts them the most. Such a shit way to be voting.

Sadly, we live in a era where dare i say it we almost have to much freedom of information that people can spin any stat/figure/quote to tell any story they like even if it misleads the public completely. No accountability for telling truths or telling facts only.

Thats why i like sport, the scoreboard tells the only story you really need to know. You can analysis all you like but the scoreboard never ever lies.

[Jimmy_041]

Politicians are held accountable at election time.

This is where i have the issue. In that yes they can be held accountable at election but ultimately, we are voting with so little knowledge on what is legitimate and what is not legitimate.

The 'average punter' can scroll through ten news stories and i guarantee you in 12 months' time 5 articles will say tariffs were great for America for reason x, y,z (maybe indirect reasons) and the next 5 will say they were bad for America because of x,y,z.

The average punter won't have time to go and study the ins and outs of international tariffs so will be forced to believe one side of the story. They will make that decision on whose personality resonates with them the most and whose marketing attracts them the most. Such a shit way to be voting.

Sadly, we live in a era where dare i say it we almost have to much freedom of information that people can spin any stat/figure/quote to tell any story they like even if it misleads the public completely. No accountability for telling truths or telling facts only.

Thats why i like sport, the scoreboard tells the only story you really need to know. You can analysis all you like but the scoreboard never ever lies.

Unfortunately, the Communications Legislation Amendment (Combatting Misinformation and Disinformation) Bill 2024 didn't apply to the very people who transgress the most.

If the Corporations Act applied to Parliament, most of them would be fined, sacked or in jail

[MW]

The next US election will be simple. If the red blooded population are feeling better off over the next 4 years, cost of living is down, employment rate is low etc etc then Republicans win regardless of the spin or who will lead them. If it goes the other way and the US economy is destroyed, and cost of living skyrockets with the tariffs and employment rate does not improve or gets worse, the same people who voted Trump in will turn on him just as quick.

[dedja]

Agree to an extent. It’s becoming harder and harder to distinguish what is the truth or not, due to the proliferation of social media. The way the ‘social media algorithm’ reinforces people’s biases just makes the problem worse, and people start believing the bubble they end up in.

Ultimately though, people tend to be lazy and are disinterested in politics, and tend to believe the lies and ‘us vs them’ antagonism that Trump cultivates and thrives on.

We’re becoming stupider as time goes by, and the US has greatly accelerated this phenomenon.

[wenchbarwer]

Agree to an extent. It’s becoming harder and harder to distinguish what is the truth or not, due to the proliferation of social media. The way the ‘social media algorithm’ reinforces people’s biases just makes the problem worse, and people start believing the bubble they end up in.

Ultimately though, people tend to be lazy and are disinterested in politics, and tend to believe the lies and ‘us vs them’ antagonism that Trump cultivates and thrives on.

We’re becoming stupider as time goes by, and the US has greatly accelerated this phenomenon.

It's probably worse in the States, where they've got FOX News sprouting all the pro-Trump rhetoric, so the general unwashed would be thinking "it must be true, it's on the news"

[dedja]

The next US election will be simple. If the red blooded population are feeling better off over the next 4 years, cost of living is down, employment rate is low etc etc then Republicans win regardless of the spin or who will lead them. If it goes the other way and the US economy is destroyed, and cost of living skyrockets with the tariffs and employment rate does not improve or gets worse, the same people who voted Trump in will turn on him just as quick.

Whilst normally I would agree with you, people in the US who were greatly disadvantaged by Trump the first time still voted for him this time, so don’t underestimate their stupidity.

They follow his mantra of ‘don’t believe what you see with your eyes’.

[mighty_tiger_79]

The next US election will be simple. If the red blooded population are feeling better off over the next 4 years, cost of living is down, employment rate is low etc etc then Republicans win regardless of the spin or who will lead them. If it goes the other way and the US economy is destroyed, and cost of living skyrockets with the tariffs and employment rate does not improve or gets worse, the same people who voted Trump in will turn on him just as quick.

You can apply that to pretty much every other country that has a democratic process

[whufc]

Agree to an extent. It’s becoming harder and harder to distinguish what is the truth or not, due to the proliferation of social media. The way the ‘social media algorithm’ reinforces people’s biases just makes the problem worse, and people start believing the bubble they end up in.

Ultimately though, people tend to be lazy and are disinterested in politics, and tend to believe the lies and ‘us vs them’ antagonism that Trump cultivates and thrives on.

We’re becoming stupider as time goes by, and the US has greatly accelerated this phenomenon.

Are we though.......i find i just cant deal with the murky grey and the feeling you get when your feel like every word you are being fed is bullshit.

I've tried in recent times to get more involved but the wealth of information overwhelms.

Working in the fitness industry we see this all the time with information regarding dieting, carbs are bad, carbs are good, do this exercise 8 times, do it 9 times. Most of our consults are based around trying to create some clarity for the average punter who wants to lose a bit of weight, feel a bit better, and run a bit further than they can now. But the sheer force of information out there sees so many people give up.

[whufc]

Anyone else believe the 3-Power Theory in regards to potentially Trumps strategic plan.

Essentially USA, Russia, China rule their sphere of the world with little regard for any of the 'minor' countries outside of them.

Scary stuff.