SAAFL Division 4 2013

[Footy Chick]

That's only because you told me you were waiting until the last minute to lodge clearances for your 6 hot recruits

[Gatt_Weasel]

That's only because you told me you were waiting until the last minute to lodge clearances for your 6 hot recruits

maybe that was a hope valley spy on the flying fox down at pooraka other night

[Footy Follower]

From my POV I am getting sick and tired of people constantly taking pot shots
at the club, they hide behind a key board, get their mums and dads to ring SAAFL and complain about the way they are getting treated.

So a few FACTS

The playing group signed contracts that had a section in there stating that players must attend all club functions, fund raise themselves with a $10k target which was directly for the players payments , That they would wear club polos etc match days etc ...
they supported 1 function last year Ladies night which they did not organise but attended and drank free grog all night, amount raised about 1K... do the math and you will see that we were still close to being 10k short for player payments.

A number of these players then advised us that they will not be playing with us next season and as a result the committee decided that players that had remained "loyal" to the club would be paid first and those that left would be paid last. But all players will get every cent that is owed by the Greenacres FC for the 2012 season.

Now I don't know about everyone else's club but it is difficult to raise funds for footballers out of season.So at Greenies so it has taken time to work through outstanding payment amounts to suppliers, coaches and players but we are 95% of the way there

So what your saying is that the club said they would pay particular players a certain amount without having the funds to actually do so?
Or was it the club would pay players a particular amount of money that they raised for themselves?

[turk186]

FF I dont know which club your associated with but I imagine most club committee's sit down at some stage and prepare a budget for the year. I would imagine that budget would have a figure in that related to how much revenue the club can anticipate that would be as a result of fundraising functions eg quiz nights, theme nights, gentlemans nights, ladies night, raffles etc etc....

We did exactly that and had 10k as the magic number.

On the spend side groups want to spend as much as they can (generally on the players)

So when groups dont support these functions by attending and bringing a couple of mates or their mums and dads, dont buy a raffle ticket, allways have something else on thats more important (like watching a horse race FFS) then the clubs income suffers.

We had to can 3 of our major events last year because we were unable to presell tickets..... groups would not commit.. there was allways an excuse.

So this is the nett result... come the end of the year and suddenly people have the hand out to get paid and the cupboard is bare. SURPRISE no not really

Now I suppose it will be the committee at fault ..... god knows it's never the playing group..... commitment ha never heard of it

[Jetters]

FF I dont know which club your associated with but I imagine most club committee's sit down at some stage and prepare a budget for the year. I would imagine that budget would have a figure in that related to how much revenue the club can anticipate that would be as a result of fundraising functions eg quiz nights, theme nights, gentlemans nights, ladies night, raffles etc etc....

We did exactly that and had 10k as the magic number.

On the spend side groups want to spend as much as they can (generally on the players)

So when groups dont support these functions by attending and bringing a couple of mates or their mums and dads, dont buy a raffle ticket, allways have something else on thats more important (like watching a horse race FFS) then the clubs income suffers.

We had to can 3 of our major events last year because we were unable to presell tickets..... groups would not commit.. there was allways an excuse.

So this is the nett result... come the end of the year and suddenly people have the hand out to get paid and the cupboard is bare. SURPRISE no not really

Now I suppose it will be the committee at fault ..... god knows it's never the playing group..... commitment ha never heard of it

What's the point of a footy club if no one actually wants to be there?

[The Big Shrek]

FF I dont know which club your associated with but I imagine most club committee's sit down at some stage and prepare a budget for the year. I would imagine that budget would have a figure in that related to how much revenue the club can anticipate that would be as a result of fundraising functions eg quiz nights, theme nights, gentlemans nights, ladies night, raffles etc etc....

We did exactly that and had 10k as the magic number.

On the spend side groups want to spend as much as they can (generally on the players)

So when groups dont support these functions by attending and bringing a couple of mates or their mums and dads, dont buy a raffle ticket, allways have something else on thats more important (like watching a horse race FFS) then the clubs income suffers.

We had to can 3 of our major events last year because we were unable to presell tickets..... groups would not commit.. there was allways an excuse.

So this is the nett result... come the end of the year and suddenly people have the hand out to get paid and the cupboard is bare. SURPRISE no not really

Now I suppose it will be the committee at fault ..... god knows it's never the playing group..... commitment ha never heard of it

Hate to say it but a very sensible post from old mate Turk.

[turk186]

FF I dont know which club your associated with but I imagine most club committee's sit down at some stage and prepare a budget for the year. I would imagine that budget would have a figure in that related to how much revenue the club can anticipate that would be as a result of fundraising functions eg quiz nights, theme nights, gentlemans nights, ladies night, raffles etc etc....

We did exactly that and had 10k as the magic number.

On the spend side groups want to spend as much as they can (generally on the players)

So when groups dont support these functions by attending and bringing a couple of mates or their mums and dads, dont buy a raffle ticket, allways have something else on thats more important (like watching a horse race FFS) then the clubs income suffers.

We had to can 3 of our major events last year because we were unable to presell tickets..... groups would not commit.. there was allways an excuse.

So this is the nett result... come the end of the year and suddenly people have the hand out to get paid and the cupboard is bare. SURPRISE no not really

Now I suppose it will be the committee at fault ..... god knows it's never the playing group..... commitment ha never heard of it

What's the point of a footy club if no one actually wants to be there?

Whats the point of being an umpire if you dont aspire to be a good one??

[Jetters]

FF I dont know which club your associated with but I imagine most club committee's sit down at some stage and prepare a budget for the year. I would imagine that budget would have a figure in that related to how much revenue the club can anticipate that would be as a result of fundraising functions eg quiz nights, theme nights, gentlemans nights, ladies night, raffles etc etc....

We did exactly that and had 10k as the magic number.

On the spend side groups want to spend as much as they can (generally on the players)

So when groups dont support these functions by attending and bringing a couple of mates or their mums and dads, dont buy a raffle ticket, allways have something else on thats more important (like watching a horse race FFS) then the clubs income suffers.

We had to can 3 of our major events last year because we were unable to presell tickets..... groups would not commit.. there was allways an excuse.

So this is the nett result... come the end of the year and suddenly people have the hand out to get paid and the cupboard is bare. SURPRISE no not really

Now I suppose it will be the committee at fault ..... god knows it's never the playing group..... commitment ha never heard of it

What's the point of a footy club if no one actually wants to be there?

Whats the point of being an umpire if you dont aspire to be a good one??

For the glitz and glamour I suppose?

[woodublieve12]

FF I dont know which club your associated with but I imagine most club committee's sit down at some stage and prepare a budget for the year. I would imagine that budget would have a figure in that related to how much revenue the club can anticipate that would be as a result of fundraising functions eg quiz nights, theme nights, gentlemans nights, ladies night, raffles etc etc....

We did exactly that and had 10k as the magic number.

On the spend side groups want to spend as much as they can (generally on the players)

So when groups dont support these functions by attending and bringing a couple of mates or their mums and dads, dont buy a raffle ticket, allways have something else on thats more important (like watching a horse race FFS) then the clubs income suffers.

We had to can 3 of our major events last year because we were unable to presell tickets..... groups would not commit.. there was allways an excuse.

So this is the nett result... come the end of the year and suddenly people have the hand out to get paid and the cupboard is bare. SURPRISE no not really

Now I suppose it will be the committee at fault ..... god knows it's never the playing group..... commitment ha never heard of it

What's the point of a footy club if no one actually wants to be there?

Whats the point of being an umpire if you dont aspire to be a good one??

[Gatt_Weasel]

FF I dont know which club your associated with but I imagine most club committee's sit down at some stage and prepare a budget for the year. I would imagine that budget would have a figure in that related to how much revenue the club can anticipate that would be as a result of fundraising functions eg quiz nights, theme nights, gentlemans nights, ladies night, raffles etc etc....

We did exactly that and had 10k as the magic number.

On the spend side groups want to spend as much as they can (generally on the players)

So when groups dont support these functions by attending and bringing a couple of mates or their mums and dads, dont buy a raffle ticket, allways have something else on thats more important (like watching a horse race FFS) then the clubs income suffers.

We had to can 3 of our major events last year because we were unable to presell tickets..... groups would not commit.. there was allways an excuse.

So this is the nett result... come the end of the year and suddenly people have the hand out to get paid and the cupboard is bare. SURPRISE no not really

Now I suppose it will be the committee at fault ..... god knows it's never the playing group..... commitment ha never heard of it

What's the point of a footy club if no one actually wants to be there?

Whats the point of being an umpire if you dont aspire to be a good one??

For the glitz and glamour I suppose?

glitz and glamour of what.....

[Jetters]

FF I dont know which club your associated with but I imagine most club committee's sit down at some stage and prepare a budget for the year. I would imagine that budget would have a figure in that related to how much revenue the club can anticipate that would be as a result of fundraising functions eg quiz nights, theme nights, gentlemans nights, ladies night, raffles etc etc....

We did exactly that and had 10k as the magic number.

On the spend side groups want to spend as much as they can (generally on the players)

So when groups dont support these functions by attending and bringing a couple of mates or their mums and dads, dont buy a raffle ticket, allways have something else on thats more important (like watching a horse race FFS) then the clubs income suffers.

We had to can 3 of our major events last year because we were unable to presell tickets..... groups would not commit.. there was allways an excuse.

So this is the nett result... come the end of the year and suddenly people have the hand out to get paid and the cupboard is bare. SURPRISE no not really

Now I suppose it will be the committee at fault ..... god knows it's never the playing group..... commitment ha never heard of it

What's the point of a footy club if no one actually wants to be there?

Whats the point of being an umpire if you dont aspire to be a good one??

But seriously Turk, have/should Greenacres change its policy regarding recruiting players?

You have an 'A' grade with a number of players who are there purely to receive match payments.... that's obviously not all players, but as you said, enough that it means you can't run social events and fundraise because they do not want to support the club.

You have a 'B' grade who have struggled for numbers and copped some beltings over the last few years.

Do you need to revise the way you do things in order to build a culture of commitment at your club?

If you (as presumably a volunteer) are understandably frustrated by the lack of commitment from players, but then recruit the same type of players this year and again get a lack of commitment then it would be the committees fault.

[Jetters]

What's the point of a footy club if no one actually wants to be there?[/quote]
Whats the point of being an umpire if you dont aspire to be a good one?? [/quote]

For the glitz and glamour I suppose?[/quote]


glitz and glamour of what.....[/quote]

It's a tough gig, but somehow you make the drivel I post seem less stupid.

[turk186]

Jetters you make a fair observation

My question is how do you go about recruiting commitment? ask all the questions, the player gives the answers you want to hear and then 4 months later after their non attendance at 2 functions what do you do?? tear up the contract, refuse to pay them...all of this ends ugly.

Build juniors I hear you cry...we are doing that but we wont see these kids in our seniors for 8- 10 yrs. I think I was at Jet Park last year when Unley celebrated 20 yrs of junior football ???
and look at your results. What a stellar season for Unley.

Seems like its magic wand time at Hicks Park .......but some people better be careful what they wish for

[Hefty]

FF I dont know which club your associated with but I imagine most club committee's sit down at some stage and prepare a budget for the year. I would imagine that budget would have a figure in that related to how much revenue the club can anticipate that would be as a result of fundraising functions eg quiz nights, theme nights, gentlemans nights, ladies night, raffles etc etc....

We did exactly that and had 10k as the magic number.

On the spend side groups want to spend as much as they can (generally on the players)

So when groups dont support these functions by attending and bringing a couple of mates or their mums and dads, dont buy a raffle ticket, allways have something else on thats more important (like watching a horse race FFS) then the clubs income suffers.

We had to can 3 of our major events last year because we were unable to presell tickets..... groups would not commit.. there was allways an excuse.

So this is the nett result... come the end of the year and suddenly people have the hand out to get paid and the cupboard is bare. SURPRISE no not really

Now I suppose it will be the committee at fault ..... god knows it's never the playing group..... commitment ha never heard of it

What's the point of a footy club if no one actually wants to be there?

Whats the point of being an umpire if you dont aspire to be a good one??

But seriously Turk, have/should Greenacres change its policy regarding recruiting players?

You have an 'A' grade with a number of players who are there purely to receive match payments.... that's obviously not all players, but as you said, enough that it means you can't run social events and fundraise because they do not want to support the club.

You have a 'B' grade who have struggled for numbers and copped some beltings over the last few years.

Do you need to revise the way you do things in order to build a culture of commitment at your club?

If you (as presumably a volunteer) are understandably frustrated by the lack of commitment from players, but then recruit the same type of players this year and again get a lack of commitment then it would be the committees fault.

Or Turk just merge with a local college and hey presto......3 flags!!

Cedar College is only a stones throw from Hicks Park!

[Jetters]

Jetters you make a fair observation

My question is how do you go about recruiting commitment? ask all the questions, the player gives the answers you want to hear and then 4 months later after their non attendance at 2 functions what do you do?? tear up the contract, refuse to pay them...all of this ends ugly.

Build juniors I hear you cry...we are doing that but we wont see these kids in our seniors for 8- 10 yrs. I think I was at Jet Park last year when Unley celebrated 20 yrs of junior football ???
and look at your results. What a stellar season for Unley.

Seems like its magic wand time at Hicks Park .......but some people better be careful what they wish for

Find the blokes who are really passionate about your club, who show the commitment and re-direct some money you were spending on new recruits to these blokes and make it a really attractive option for these guys to play for your club. Hopefully, this attracts their mates and other people who have heard about the culture you've built up. If you lose a couple of games in the process is it worthwhile for longer term success?

With recruiting, target mates of the blokes you have so they have reasons other than $$ to play for your club. The 2 blokes we recruited for this season have all their best mates playing for the club, I think that's the way to go.

Obviously juniors is not the short term solution. It was our 10th year, and all those ex-juniors are 18-23 now and is what's taking our club forward.

[Jetters]

Or Turk just merge with a local college and hey presto......3 flags!!

Cedar College is only a stones throw from Hicks Park![/quote]

3 flags! You beauty!!

[Gatt_Weasel]

Or Turk just merge with a local college and hey presto......3 flags!!

Cedar College is only a stones throw from Hicks Park!

3 flags! You beauty!![/quote]


maybe go troll in div 3 and while you are at it teach some of them unley boys how to play hard footy cause they will have to in div 3

[Footy Chick]

says Weasel the mod

Bless your cotton socks

[Footy Follower]

Jetters you make a fair observation

My question is how do you go about recruiting commitment? ask all the questions, the player gives the answers you want to hear and then 4 months later after their non attendance at 2 functions what do you do?? tear up the contract, refuse to pay them...all of this ends ugly.

Build juniors I hear you cry...we are doing that but we wont see these kids in our seniors for 8- 10 yrs. I think I was at Jet Park last year when Unley celebrated 20 yrs of junior football ???
and look at your results. What a stellar season for Unley.

Seems like its magic wand time at Hicks Park .......but some people better be careful what they wish for

Turk IMO it looks like the club is looking for quick fixes which is why they throw money at players. I would say, take the next couple of seasons on the chin and concentrate on spending money on things that will attract players to the club like a good gym, or better facilities etc. (not knocking current facilities as I don't really know.) Also make incentive awards like BOG get's $100 etc. make players earn their money. Also keystone I feel is having an Under 18's. Almost all successful strong clubs in higher divisions have an under 18's which injects half a dozen plus new players each year to senior footy. It will take a few years to build, but looking long term I think you would be better for it. Throwing money at players to make your club competitive only hides the cracks for a while.

[piccachu]

IMO the best way to recruit is try and recruit good players that already have friends at the club, makes the transition more comfortable for the new players and i think that if you get a bunch of blokes playing together that are good friends, you will see good results not only on the field but finacially aswell as blokes will be hanging around spending money at the club and having fun rather than taking the money and running