Death Penalty

[Footy Chick]

exactly - or even America's hardest prisons!

I saw an episode the other week where a mother of 5 had been in and out of prison since she was 15 and didn't care that all her kids had been taken away because her gang came first.

Insane.

[scoob]

The death penalty isn't a deterrent.....

[Q.]

The death penalty isn't a deterrent.....

I'm glad we helped you come to this conclusion.

[bennymacca]

The death penalty isn't a deterrent.....

The point as I understand it is that it doesn't provide for a significantly greater deterrent over the prison system to make it worth it.

[tigerpie]

I realise I'm basing this off something that happened 200 years ago but hey...it worked

and it still works in some American states so I don't see why it couldn't work here.

and it wouldnt cost as much becuase security guards don't get paid as much as council workers

It just appears to me that you're happy for convicted fellons to sit on their arses all day in a small little room and only see daylight for an hour a day and that is punishment enough - this just doesn't sit right with me..

THis just makes them sound like half the people on centrelink.

It doesn't work in America. They have the highest rate of recidivism among developed nations.

What? Repeatedly killing people? Naaah.

[Footy Chick]

THe argument FOR the death penalty. Pretty clear cut I think:

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/justin-bieber-arrested-for-drag-racing-and-driving-under-the-influence-in-miami-beach-reports-say/story-fnk822dn-1226809079341

[Squids]

I'd rather the death penalty than this

http://www.news.com.au/world/woman-gang ... 6808895729

[Gozu]

THe argument FOR the death penalty. Pretty clear cut I think:

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/justin-bieber-arrested-for-drag-racing-and-driving-under-the-influence-in-miami-beach-reports-say/story-fnk822dn-1226809079341

I have to admit this changes things.

[GWW]

The judicial system isn't based on emotion.

Time to scrap Victim Impact Statements then?

[The Sleeping Giant]

Shoot em all and let God sort em out.

[Q.]

The judicial system isn't based on emotion.

Time to scrap Victim Impact Statements then?

No, they serve to aid in rehabilitation of the victim and the offender.

[cracka]

The judicial system isn't based on emotion.

Time to scrap Victim Impact Statements then?

No, they serve to aid in rehabilitation of the victim and the offender.

I don't think I could ever be rehabilitated if my son or daughter was harmed, I would want a death penalty for that.

[GWW]

Time to bring this into local prisons?? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -gang.html

[GWW]

"Worst of the worst" - I think this bloke comes into that category - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_Alcala


This is an interesting part of the above wiki page:

He was paroled after 17 months, under the "indeterminate sentencing" program popular at the time, which allowed parole boards to release offenders as soon as they demonstrated evidence of rehabilitation. Less than two months later he was arrested after assaulting a 13-year-old girl referred in court records as "Julie J.", who had accepted what she thought would be a ride to school. Once again he was paroled after serving 24 months of an "indeterminate sentence".

[Psyber]

In principle I can't support the death penalty for any offence.
However, I can imagine circumstances where I may kill somebody to defend myself or those close to me.
It is the cold blooded decision making that puts me off it in legislation.

[bennymacca]

Very good post. It is also the reason why manslaughter and murder are differentiated

[Booney]

The death penalty isn't a deterrent.....

To simplify it as you need it to be, if the death penalty was a deterrent then states/countries with the death penalty should have zero % crime rates. Would you agree?

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On a side note, I think that more minimum security prisons / detention centres built in arid locations where criminals have offended two or three times with smaller crimes ( I'll say small time drug dealers, thieves etc ) are incarcerated for 2-3 months upon a second offence to give them a "taste"* of jail could be a deterrent.

Here, spend 3 months out the back of Innaminka and see if this type of lifestyle suits you, if not, clean your act up or the next time it'll be three years.

The amount of insignificant, trivial "penalties" handed out to small time criminals (who would seem bound for bigger crimes/offences) are simply laughable. No wonder they become repeat offenders.

[bennymacca]

Agree with that last part. Lots of small time crooks come out worse after spending time in prison, I guess that's why there is a lot of repeat minimal or suspended sentences, but something like what you mentioned above could give them a sense of punishment and still keep them away from the "harder" prison population. I guess this does happen to a certain extent already though ie yatala vs cadell

[tigerpie]

They all start somewhere so you may end up with a whole bunch of apprentice criminals in one location? Just a thought.

I like your idea of utilising arid land, but i'd make them hard labour prisons for the worst crims in our jails. If we cant have the death penalty then lets work them to death. With sensible water use they can use the land to grow enough food to self sustain, and all done with hard prison labour.
Again just a thought.

[Q.]

Bastoy is the answer

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1384308/Norways-controversial-cushy-prison-experiment--catch-UK.html