Betting Sites, Good or Bad

[mighty_tiger_79]

I thought it may have been a new online operator??

[Spargo]

Just about had it with Sportsbet.
The app is f#cking useless! It keeps freezing/failing to load.
Saturday I had to uninstall the app then reinstall it four times.
Customer service claim they hadn't had any other complaints which I think is BS.
I know others who have the same issue, you also only have to read the feedback on the App Store also.

[mighty_tiger_79]

people still bet with sportsbet?????

you should also check out the complaints in twitter about bet365

[RustyCage]

Bet365 was great when you could still bet on live games here, once that was stopped so did my betting through them

[JK]

Just about had it with Sportsbet.
The app is f#cking useless! It keeps freezing/failing to load.
Saturday I had to uninstall the app then reinstall it four times.
Customer service claim they hadn't had any other complaints which I think is BS.
I know others who have the same issue, you also only have to read the feedback on the App Store also.

My mate/syndicate partner hasn't bothered putting his bets on for a couple of weeks now because he has the exact same issue with the App.

I must admit I've experienced the problem, but only once or twice, however it happens to him virtually everytime he tries to use it.

[Dutchy]

try m.sportsbet.com.au in your mobile browser, much easier than the app

[Spargo]

Cheers Dutchy.

[LPH]

I too was getting bloody annoyed with the sportsbet app - thanks Dutchy.

Anyone going to Morphettville for Slipper Day?

Anyone else like Alpha Miss E/Way? Got $34 before the barrier draw & happy with Gate 9.

[stampy]

looking for the best odds for port to win tonight 40+ i notice sportingbet and tom waterhouse sites have the same lay out

[mighty_tiger_79]

looking for the best odds for port to win tonight 40+ i notice sportingbet and tom waterhouse sites have the same lay out

both are in William Hills wallet now I believe

tattsbet and sportsbet have odds up with tattsbet offering slightly better

[stampy]

didnt matter anyway

[stampy]

didnt matter anyway

[mal]

BETSTAR
Betstar, my favorite Bookie , have sold out to Ladbrokes
Another UK bookie taking over the Aussies
Lets hope Ladbrokes can continue the fantastic service I've gotten from Betstar

WILLIAM HILL
MT79 is correct also
William Hill has Sportingbet , Centrebet and Tom Waterhouse in its empire
One thing I have found with the Hill empire, is very good service
All 3 Aussie purchases were good when owned domestically as well

[mighty_tiger_79]

http://fairwageringaustralia.com/

[dedja]

Im thinking of changing betting sites.
Who are most people with and are you happy with the service?
What makes their site good or bad?
Suggestions....

Keep your money in your pocket and avoid all of them ...

[mal]

Gawler race book
Sunday , Gawler races
30/3/2014

I open up the book to page 1 and read

WIN MORE ON THE HORSES
TOP TOTE PLUS FROM SPORTSBET GUARANTEES THE BEST PAYOUT OF
THE THREE TABs AND THE STARTING PRICE EVERY RACE-EVERY DAY

$20 BET ON MINAVILLA

SPORTSBET $136.......TATTS $112

What the ....
How can this get through to the keeper ?

Sportsbet is a sponsor of the Gawler races
The add shows what a very good product they offer
But should this have been shown in the race book ?

It shows Sportsbet having a superior product to Tatts
However Tatts pay the Gawler club a commission [probably 10 %] on each dollar placed through the on course tote facility
So how does Tatts feel about this add ?

This is a conflict of interest surely ?

[mighty_tiger_79]

from fair wagering Australia,

Fair Wagering has been handed an extraordinary document that lifts the lid on Australia’s biggest wagering operator’s attempts to severely restrict winning punters at TAB retail outlets.

It looks as though Tabcorp recently sent the document out to agents on its 2600-strong retail network across New South Wales and Victoria. The missive appears to be an attempt to placate agents in at least 100 TAB’s who have reported plunging commissions as a result of restrictions placed on the size of all bets, even if just one punter is winning.

Tabcorp referred to “expanded risk management” in their fixed odds division at a recent mid-year presentation – we now know what it means for punters, and it ain’t pretty.

Tabcorp have officially joined the scourge that has become rife within the Australian corporate bookmaking community.

They are no longer bookies and are simply accountants who wish to manage money (bets) from mug punters.

Because all punters are “mugs” and have trouble with even basic English, we at FWA have paraphrased some of the key points in Tabcorp’s “Fixed Odds Liability Q&A” to help you to better understand corporate language.

If you want to read it for yourself, here it is. Otherwise, allow us.
From Tabcorp document, "Fixed Odds Liability Q & A"
From Tabcorp document, “Fixed Odds Liability Q&A”

i.e. We drove all winning punters off our website by rejecting any bets that didn’t suit us. Don’t get too excited if they roll up to your agency ready to bet big, turnover lots and help your business.

As soon as one of our bookmakers (accountants) get a whiff that a winning punter is betting in a TAB agency, we’ll flick a switch and shut the agency down. No 10 second reset or phone call will help.

From Tabcorp document, “Fixed Odds Liability Q&A”

i.e. If we have to manage all 2600, we will. The winning punters that we are trying to get rid of have thankfully only made it to 100 agencies so far.

From Tabcorp document, “Fixed Odds Liability Q&A”

i.e. VERY IMPORTANT POINT. Only losers are “genuine customers”. We don’t want winning punters getting in the way of our profits. If you spot a winning punter (non-genuine customer) in your agency, stay calm; alert us, we’re here to help.
From Tabcorp document, "Fixed Odds Liability Q&A"
From Tabcorp document, “Fixed Odds Liability Q&A”

i.e. If it’s 6pm on a Friday night and there are only two punters in your agency having $1 mystery trifectas and a winning punter (non-genuine customer) walks in wishing to bet big and hard with your turnover incentivised agency, DO NOT BET THEM. We at headquarters make a gross profit of $10 million a week off fixed odds bets. That’s not enough, we want more!

Don’t worry about your own little business, that’ll sort itself out in the long term, sorta, kinda??!!

———-

We are informed that the NSW Office of Liquor, Gaming and Racing are looking into Tabcorp’s new fixed odds management procedures. We’ll forward this onto them.

Tabcorp, through tab.com.au, retail outlets, Luxbet and Sky Racing are the undisputed driver of the racing industry. They need to, and are entitled to be profitable. But who is betting to lose? We all need to at least know that one day maybe we can be winners. If this new style of management becomes the norm, we will all only ever be losers. Tabcorp can take us for granted at its own peril.

Perhaps there should be a warning whenever you enter a TAB outlet in New South Wales or Victoria – ‘WARNING: GENUINE CUSTOMERS ONLY. BETTING TO WIN WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.’

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Please Note: The author of this article has absolutely no association with Sydney rails bookmaker David Dwyer.

[mighty_tiger_79]

this is about bet365

We couldn’t end the year without awarding Fair Wagering Australia’s “Worst Bookmaker 2013”.

We determine the worst bookie to be the one that is the most unfair to punters – particularly those that happen to win more often than they lose.

It was a very strong field this year, headed by UK-owned Ladbrokes, Bet365 and Sportingbet, but honorable mentions also go to the homegrown Luxbet and Betezy.

But there can only one winner. Envelope please. Drumroll…..

And the winner is…. Bet365!!! To accept the award, please welcome American film and television actor Samuel L Jackson.

samuel_l_jackson

Thanks Samuel, short but sweet.

Bet365

An unethical bookie where winners are shown the door with astonishing haste.

Winning accounts are closed, successful clients are offered minuscule bets.

Bets are rejected, prices are cut.

Restrictions are placed, bonus winnings are removed.

Bet365 operate under an appallingly one-sided set of terms and conditions which even in the words of the compliant Northern Territory Racing Commission are “harsh” and “restrictive”.

The same regulator even hauled a representative before the commission to fully explain their practices.

Advertising

It has also become clear in recent times that Bet365 is to TV cricket coverage what Tom Waterhouse was to the NRL. You can’t watch a boundary scored without a Bet365 logo in your face or a Michael Clarke century without a follow up Samuel L Jackson TV spot.

Waterhouse at 8pm on the NRL is one thing, but copping it in the middle of the afternoon during the country’s most popular national family sport is another thing altogether. Targeting kids? Doubtful. Irresponsible? Absolutely.

How have Bet365 largely escaped the tirade directed at Tom Waterhouse after his irresponsible over saturating advertising? Cricket Australia and Channel Nine must assume some of the blame as well.

The Company

While it’s clear that operations in Australia haven’t all gone according to plan – the local arm is believed to have lost AUD$36 million in its first year (in-play restrictions hurt immensely) – the company certainly is a Goliath.

On figures from its last financial year of reporting (ending March ‘13), operating profit was up 54% to AUD$327 million on a staggering turnover of in excess of AUD$36 billion from over two million active clients.

Previously, the non-listed privately-held company has rarely shared its financial numbers. The family behind the multi-billion dollar enterprise – Peter Coates, his daughter Denise (CEO), and son John, are worth over AUD$1.7 billion – just 13 years after they launched the firm.

The family’s controlling interest in Premier League football club Stoke City actually drained the company of over AUD$50 million last year. But the most mind-blowing number is that the company is sitting on over AUD$780 million of cash reserves. Sheeeeeshhh! indeed.

Apparently, one doesn’t accumulate that sort of wealth by betting both winners and losers. It’s more a case of one winning family and millions of losers.

We say that having a bookmaker’s license in Australia shouldn’t just be a license to print money. It’s a form of gambling where winners have to be tolerated. Bookmakers must be forced to bet both losers and winners to win a reasonable amount.

Bookmaking needs to get back to being a duel between oddsmaker and punter, not a one-sided massacre.

So congratulations go to Bet365, Fair Wagering Australia’s Worst Bookmaker 2013.

Stay tuned to the FWA in 2014 as we continue our quest to bring back fairness to wagering in Australia.

[mal]

Wow hard hitting articles there MT79
Real eye openers indeed


I know of a few punters with high profile corporate bookmakers that have been curtailed in betting activities
Some disgruntled punters are getting set to win amounts of as little as $25-$100 on betting products

So I must ask
Why does an on course Bookmaker have to bet odds to $1000+ at meetings , whilst the corps can lay odds to as little as $25 to various punters?

[mighty_tiger_79]

topbetta

for whatever reason they wont allow me to load up Adelaide greyhound races - eg angle park today, not sure why $$$

may have to email these guys

also if you bet on a no-race at the dogs, check to make sure they refund your bet......