Salary Cap Investigations

[FOURTH ESTATE]

Am hearing an amateur club will quite possibly be done for salary cap breach. I dont know which club but i could take a guess. Led to believe just about all country clubs have been cleared. You think Dinozzo?????

Refer to Rule 8, 39 & 70

How ironic if true, perhaps you amateur people can get off your high horse. You have a Goodwood Saints as your Grassroots club but all you do is bag the SAAFL In this case I would like to refer to rule 35!!!

on another note what hope has the SANFL got if amateur Victorian comps are at a very similar salary cap

[Jim05]

Am hearing an amateur club will quite possibly be done for salary cap breach. I dont know which club but i could take a guess. Led to believe just about all country clubs have been cleared. You think Dinozzo?????

Refer to Rule 8, 39 & 70

How ironic if true, perhaps you amateur people can get off your high horse. You have a Goodwood Saints as your Grassroots club but all you do is bag the SAAFL In this case I would like to refer to rule 35!!!

on another note what hope has the SANFL got if amateur Victorian comps are at a very similar salary cap

Or maybe you should follow rule 36[emoji3]

[FOURTH ESTATE]

So keep referring to rule 70 which will get to the bottom of rule 36

[daysofourlives]

So which SAAFL club is losing alot of its players this off season? Might be a bit too late to reign in the salaries now

One things certain, the country clubs are to professional to get caught, the amateurs not so much

[jo172]

The inherent irony in bragging about being more professional enabling a the professional party to successfully cheat a community football salary Cap hurts my head.

In any event it will be interesting to see what, if any, chips fall with the CFL

[Yank Man]

The inherent irony in bragging about being more professional enabling a the professional party to successfully cheat a community football salary Cap hurts my head.

In any event it will be interesting to see what, if any, chips fall with the CFL

Respect your posts jo172, here's a scenario for you to analyse, an x junior of your club got drafted to the AFL, after a few years he got cut. He returned to his SANFL club and played in a premiership. He wants to come back to his junior club to finish his career. What do you offer him, bearing in mind clubs outside SA have given him a guarantee of $100k plus, which includes a job, assistant coaching role and senior player. What I'm saying is how the hell do we keep them when we are all favouring the current cap but are getting smashed by those who don't give a f..k.

[jo172]

The inherent irony in bragging about being more professional enabling a the professional party to successfully cheat a community football salary Cap hurts my head.

In any event it will be interesting to see what, if any, chips fall with the CFL

Respect your posts jo172, here's a scenario for you to analyse, an x junior of your club got drafted to the AFL, after a few years he got cut. He returned to his SANFL club and played in a premiership. He wants to come back to his junior club to finish his career. What do you offer him, bearing in mind clubs outside SA have given him a guarantee of $100k plus, which includes a job, assistant coaching role and senior player. What I'm saying is how the hell do we keep them when we are all favouring the current cap but are getting smashed by those who don't give a f..k.

Take away the Premiership and the literal thing happened to us last year and I can confirm a "professional" close to the Metro area club has no qualms.

Take away the frustrations of it all and we remove TPPS and APPS and it all gets very Darwinian. I suspect that's not in Community Football's interests

[Yank Man]

The inherent irony in bragging about being more professional enabling a the professional party to successfully cheat a community football salary Cap hurts my head.

In any event it will be interesting to see what, if any, chips fall with the CFL

Respect your posts jo172, here's a scenario for you to analyse, an x junior of your club got drafted to the AFL, after a few years he got cut. He returned to his SANFL club and played in a premiership. He wants to come back to his junior club to finish his career. What do you offer him, bearing in mind clubs outside SA have given him a guarantee of $100k plus, which includes a job, assistant coaching role and senior player. What I'm saying is how the hell do we keep them when we are all favouring the current cap but are getting smashed by those who don't give a f..k.

Take away the Premiership and the literal thing happened to us last year and I can confirm a "professional" close to the Metro area club has no qualms.

Take away the frustrations of it all and we remove TPPS and APPS and it all gets very Darwinian. I suspect that's not in Community Football's interests

Get all that, but wouldn't it be great to get our X gun juniors back without having to buy them a bank. I also understand they probably want to come back but the 'FORCE' is against us. Too late when they are 35+

[Jim05]

The inherent irony in bragging about being more professional enabling a the professional party to successfully cheat a community football salary Cap hurts my head.

In any event it will be interesting to see what, if any, chips fall with the CFL

Respect your posts jo172, here's a scenario for you to analyse, an x junior of your club got drafted to the AFL, after a few years he got cut. He returned to his SANFL club and played in a premiership. He wants to come back to his junior club to finish his career. What do you offer him, bearing in mind clubs outside SA have given him a guarantee of $100k plus, which includes a job, assistant coaching role and senior player. What I'm saying is how the hell do we keep them when we are all favouring the current cap but are getting smashed by those who don't give a f..k.

Take away the Premiership and the literal thing happened to us last year and I can confirm a "professional" close to the Metro area club has no qualms.

Take away the frustrations of it all and we remove TPPS and APPS and it all gets very Darwinian. I suspect that's not in Community Football's interests

I have a huge issue with lumping in all associations as one.
There are some very well run clubs/associations out there and why should they be penalised because other clubs/associations are poorly run?
I just don't see the need for both a salary cap and a points cap. Should only be one or the other.

[Pag]

The inherent irony in bragging about being more professional enabling a the professional party to successfully cheat a community football salary Cap hurts my head.

In any event it will be interesting to see what, if any, chips fall with the CFL

Respect your posts jo172, here's a scenario for you to analyse, an x junior of your club got drafted to the AFL, after a few years he got cut. He returned to his SANFL club and played in a premiership. He wants to come back to his junior club to finish his career. What do you offer him, bearing in mind clubs outside SA have given him a guarantee of $100k plus, which includes a job, assistant coaching role and senior player. What I'm saying is how the hell do we keep them when we are all favouring the current cap but are getting smashed by those who don't give a f..k.

Take away the Premiership and the literal thing happened to us last year and I can confirm a "professional" close to the Metro area club has no qualms.

Take away the frustrations of it all and we remove TPPS and APPS and it all gets very Darwinian. I suspect that's not in Community Football's interests

I have a huge issue with lumping in all associations as one.
There are some very well run clubs/associations out there and why should they be penalised because other clubs/associations are poorly run?
I just don't see the need for both a salary cap and a points cap. Should only be one or the other.

Agree with this Jim.

I'd go with APPS and scrap the salary cap. At least it's police-able.

[jo172]

Respect your posts jo172, here's a scenario for you to analyse, an x junior of your club got drafted to the AFL, after a few years he got cut. He returned to his SANFL club and played in a premiership. He wants to come back to his junior club to finish his career. What do you offer him, bearing in mind clubs outside SA have given him a guarantee of $100k plus, which includes a job, assistant coaching role and senior player. What I'm saying is how the hell do we keep them when we are all favouring the current cap but are getting smashed by those who don't give a f..k.

Take away the Premiership and the literal thing happened to us last year and I can confirm a "professional" close to the Metro area club has no qualms.

Take away the frustrations of it all and we remove TPPS and APPS and it all gets very Darwinian. I suspect that's not in Community Football's interests

I have a huge issue with lumping in all associations as one.
There are some very well run clubs/associations out there and why should they be penalised because other clubs/associations are poorly run?
I just don't see the need for both a salary cap and a points cap. Should only be one or the other.

Agree with this Jim.

I'd go with APPS and scrap the salary cap. At least it's police-able.

And is a significantly lower compliance burden on volunteers.

[morell]

The inherent irony in bragging about being more professional enabling a the professional party to successfully cheat a community football salary Cap hurts my head.

In any event it will be interesting to see what, if any, chips fall with the CFL

Respect your posts jo172, here's a scenario for you to analyse, an x junior of your club got drafted to the AFL, after a few years he got cut. He returned to his SANFL club and played in a premiership. He wants to come back to his junior club to finish his career. What do you offer him, bearing in mind clubs outside SA have given him a guarantee of $100k plus, which includes a job, assistant coaching role and senior player. What I'm saying is how the hell do we keep them when we are all favouring the current cap but are getting smashed by those who don't give a f..k.

Take away the Premiership and the literal thing happened to us last year and I can confirm a "professional" close to the Metro area club has no qualms.

Take away the frustrations of it all and we remove TPPS and APPS and it all gets very Darwinian. I suspect that's not in Community Football's interests

I have a huge issue with lumping in all associations as one.
There are some very well run clubs/associations out there and why should they be penalised because other clubs/associations are poorly run?
I just don't see the need for both a salary cap and a points cap. Should only be one or the other.

It's interesting that ultimately it comes down to whether you're a capitalist or a socialist. In my mind - why should clubs that aren't in as fortunate circumstance as others not be able to exist merely because of others greed?

We also really need to get away from this notion:

lots of $$$ = well run
not much money = poorly run

You could put a moderately trained monkey in charge of some of the clubs that have wineries, farms, pubs and the entire community of a small town bankrolling them. On the other hand you could put Bill Gates and Warren Buffet in charge of others and they'd still struggle.

This forum got into the nitty gritty of it previously, but footy in general is in a competition with opponents that are stronger than they've ever been: Soccer, Basketball, UFC, Music Festivals, Video Games etc etc etc

The landscape has changed. It's no longer cricket in the Summer and footy in the Winter as the only options. We need to protect the variety, history, culture and charm of all clubs that contribute to the fabric of football to ensure there are as many as possible gateways and options for everyone and anyone to throw on the boots - from the just short of the SANFL young 21 year old gun on $800/game in the country, to the old man hanging onto his youth in C3, to the disenfranchised and struggling single father who needs a social avenue... they all have their place and deserve the same amount of respect and support.

If we lose that respect and keep following an unbridled capitalist path which services only the top end - we will pull at the threads of the fabric that enables our sport to thrive. Clubs will fold. Kids will play soccer instead. Interest will decrease. Numbers will decrease. Attendance will decrease. Sponsorships will decrease. Funding will decrease.

Some might say "good, we need fewer clubs" but they'd be forgetting that a lot of those clubs, like Mitchell Park, still provide access for people to play the sport. Some of those people go on and play at a really high level.

So although we compete on Saturdays and for players, as clubs we're actually in all of this together - which is why a consistent points (with all its flaws, granted) and salary cap apply. If we're healthy from the bottom to the top, everyone benefits.

[jo172]

Morrell, I completely agree, but I'm not persuaded that the TPPS in practice is making any difference.

[morell]

We've managed to keep (and recruit) a couple of our better players because the offers from cashed up clubs were not as high.

One was a Hills club that was paying about $500/game. After travel, compulsory function attendance, Tuesday training, Thursday training, that player figured it wasn't worth it and played for us for beer and skittles instead. If that was $700 or $800, that balance tips back very quickly.

Another player I know of had a wedding coming up, so wanted to field offers, and fair enough, did so with our blessing. Again, they weren't high enough to make it worthwhile, so stayed.

Another player, young, no commitments, lots of time - thought $300/game was enough and left.

Its all anecdotal and micro of course but we've been able to keep/recruit a couple of players that in previous years I reckon we would've lost, solely because the money on offer in the cashed up leagues wasn't high enough.

[marbles]

Was there a vote tonight

[running defender]

I keep on hearing that club, this club is been investergated ,
But I don't see any club been charged with anything , it's been about 18 months since this SANFl led body was formed
And not one club or player has been charged.
I know of league and reserves footballers that still haven't been paid for the last block of games they played.
Why would you stay , 3 clubs are broke .
It's a waste of money , money that should be going to grass roots country junior footy

[morell]

Was there a vote tonight

Was a couple.

Based on my informants...

Never a better time to break apart the delegate system.

[jo172]

Was there a vote tonight

Was a couple.

Based on my informants...

Never a better time to break apart the delegate system.

Make the C9AFL Great Again!

[marbles]

Marquee players? $400 max?

Or is pavlich still not welcome in c9afl?

[Q.]

No marquee payment. $400 max per player, $3000 per week cap. No player embargo.