whybother wrote:It seems to me that part of this fiasco is to find a way to make it "impossible" for it to happen again. My suggestion is to link the data people and the interchange stewards directly to the timekeepers so that the siren can be immediately sounded if a breach is detected. It seems that these people knew in this case before either of the two teams did that there was a problem. The siren would stop play and the umpires could organise a count of players etc etc. Then the current argument of "not detected at the time" is made irrelevant. If the siren is mis-sounded, then that's the League's fault, and has nothing to do with the players or the stage of the game. There are now 4 boundary umps, 3 field umps, one emergency ump and two goal umps to monitor a repeat of the chaos of the 1975 Freddy Bills 19 man incident. Instigate strong penalties against evading the count happening. If a player leaves the field without using the interchange gate, isn't he forbidden to come back on anyway? Keep the current captain call for a count if you must, but tidy up the wording to keep up with the changes in the game that has happened over the past years.
Dont worry about any of that confusing crap. The overlords will fix it by accident next year anyway when they have the 6,6,6 starting formations. At the start of every quarter and after every goal even the umpires will be able to tell as there wont be a loose man anywhere. As for in general play its impossible to get an extra man on as the interchange stewards are all over that, if a player goes on one step before a player comes off its a free kick.
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We as a playing group don't hide away from the fact we were 47 points up during the game. North have been a great side all year and play an exciting, fast paced brand of football that can score quickly. However, momentum is a funny thing in football. And one that can not be measured.
At 3qtr time it was a 20 point deficit, not 40 odd points and in a final that's nothing! For a team to then start the last quarter with 19 players on the field, have numerous inside 50s, score 1.2 in that time to bring the score back to 2 goals early in the last qtr completely shifted the momentum. We as players, along with the coaching staff in the box, were wondering how they had an extra player free so it effected our teams structure severely. We then decided to drop a loose back to try and stifle the flow as we don't know where this spare is coming from which changed the whole dynamic of the game for that period and beyond. For the Judge to say that the extra player had no impact whatsoever clearly shows they had limited understanding of the situation as the loose player from the back of the square kicked the first behind of the last qtr!! No impact?? Ok then!! You can maybe understand 30 secs or even a minute and put it down to a miscommunication at the break but for a football club to be notified that their player named on the bench wasn't there and knowing that was happening and not do anything about it for over 4 minutes is nothing short of disgraceful. Furthermore, for them to make an interchange at the 45 second mark of the final qtr and to not realise then and pull a player immediately from the ground to me seems staggering. It was then 3 minutes after this that a player finally came from the ground. In this time they had scored 8 points. At the absolute least no matter what the score, them winning by 20 points or 5 points the points in which they scored by having 19 players on the field should be wiped whether it meant they still win the game or not. In this case justice would have been served and their score deducted meaning the result overturned.
Its got nothing to do with next year. No one could care less the sanctions they get for next year. It's the fact that a game of football, hours, weeks, months of dedication and to be defined by an act of cheating and allowed to get away with it is disgraceful and something (they) have to live with! If both parties in the end were happy for a rematch seems like that outcome is at least honourable, play it during the week and keep the grand final on Sunday. We as a football club were more than happy to put our hands up to do so. They get an independent one-man tribunal, retired Supreme Court judge Michael David QC in to make the decision and so he comes to the conclusion that the most suitable outcome is to have a rematch, then saying that he doesn't have that option or the right to award that a rematch take place. Isn't that the whole point of getting another body in to make the decision for you? Yet he wasn't allowed to make the decision he deemed fair..
For the AFL to come out and say their governing body would have changed the outcome and overturned the result had this happened in an AFL game is telling you something. I didn't see Lance Armstrong just get a fine and keep his awards. Steve Smith, Dave Warner and Cameron Bancroft didn't just get a fine and were allowed to play the next test match... Guilty of cheating but can still play in a Grand Final the next week?? At the end of the day, cheating is cheating. Intentional or not.
He then goes on to say that the reversal of the result is too savage a penalty?? Did he consider that not reversing the result was equally a savage penalty to the Eagles? If we break that down, the Eagles were the innocent party. The penalty for the Eagles was elimination. North were the guilty party (grossly negligent – at fault). The penalty for North was elimination. Why is it that the penalty for North is too savage, when that is precisely, in effect, the outcome for the Eagles??
How every expert that has played or been involved in the game, greats of our game, people who have been around football or reporting on it for a long time can see exactly what the right and fair outcome is and yet (they) can't absolutely staggers me!
Coming from a players point of view, how our season has been made to come to an end not to mention the club, families, supporters, and wider communities it has and will continue to effect, think everything's fine now and we'll sweep it under the carpet with the grand final this weekend is an absolute travesty in itself. It's something my teammates (brothers) and I will take sometime to get past and something we won't ever forgive or forget with the way it was handled and dealt with. A rematch at the absolute bare minimum was what should have taken place.
WWTFC as a club has failed to reign it in, and from Tuesday morning should have moved on and taken a strong stance, including with the players. Comments such as Guilhas' in the hours after letting off some frustration are understandable, even if unedifying, but to allow it to keep bubbling and now a week after the game runs the risk of the club being labelled a bunch of whingers.
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Then again, much like with the Adelaide mind training camp, I think the clubs hierarchy often forget that footballers have always and will always be kinda dumb.
I guess it's enhanced in a footy club because you have a greater proportion of young men compared to experienced (footy and admin) leaders, but you'd think he'd be old enough to know better.
daysofourlives wrote:Has there been any please explain on Seb Galhuis outburst on facebook, i would say accusing the umpires of cheating is up there. Or are they sweeping that under the carpet because they feel guilty,
Surely he gets games or at the very least a fine and so should his club
Not sure where to put it but Seb Guilhas has been suspended for 3 games for his Facebook rant.
SANFL wrote:Woodville-West Torrens ruckman Seb Guilhaus has been suspended for three matches after a SANFL Tribunal hearing at Adelaide Oval on Wednesday night.
Charged with bringing the game into disrepute following comments made on Facebook in the wake of the Preliminary Final, Guilhaus pleaded guilty to the charge which was heard before SANFL Tribunal panel Chairman Ian White.
Guilhaus’ three-match penalty ensures he will be ineligible to play SANFL or in any SANFL Affiliated League.
daysofourlives wrote:Has there been any please explain on Seb Galhuis outburst on facebook, i would say accusing the umpires of cheating is up there. Or are they sweeping that under the carpet because they feel guilty,
Surely he gets games or at the very least a fine and so should his club
Not sure where to put it but Seb Guilhas has been suspended for 3 games for his Facebook rant.
SANFL wrote:Woodville-West Torrens ruckman Seb Guilhaus has been suspended for three matches after a SANFL Tribunal hearing at Adelaide Oval on Wednesday night.
Charged with bringing the game into disrepute following comments made on Facebook in the wake of the Preliminary Final, Guilhaus pleaded guilty to the charge which was heard before SANFL Tribunal panel Chairman Ian White.
Guilhaus’ three-match penalty ensures he will be ineligible to play SANFL or in any SANFL Affiliated League.
So Seb Guilhaus receives a bigger suspension than NA received for "not playing fairly'.
