Old Scholars and the Points System

[Mr Beefy]

BigB, You may have taken some bait, stale bait at that. My reply to the Beefmiester; No we didn't.

Tend to agree there is an inequity numbers wise vs. points. Not sure this is represented as an advantage tho.

Was wondering where you were.

[teaoby]

Firstly, I don't think anyone who has come to play from Mercedes would've attracted points anyway, tho Jetters may correct me. All we've done is formalise links we already had (20 to 30 Mercedes ex Mercedes students prior to the establishment of the formal affiliation) and the main benefit, aside from an additional feeder stream in addition to our juniors, has been the injection of more off field assistance. (Can I say - if you want success, recruiting volunteers to key support roles is where you should start rather than wondering which gun you're going to recruit.) Sadly for us we lose many of our juniors, after all our investment, to other college clubs such as Scotch, PAC or Pultney (tho they may think twice now we're in Div 1) and no-one would suggest transfer fees would be a popular idea to compensate clubs with junior programs who lose out when someone moves on after all the hard work.
A zero points sytem for our graduating juniors and our affiliate's Old Scholars, is at least some compensation and really just acknowledges a long standing relationship with the club in one form or another. If another club feels this disadvantages them, then developing their own advantageous strategic allances is something they should consider rather than trying to level the playing field to the lowest common denominator.

Please....
So there was no need to acknowledge a long standing relationship before the points system came in. In other words, you sold your soul to get a zero point stream from Mercedes.

Sold our soul??? "Formalised an already existing relationship" would be the more accurate description in more objective rather than emotive terminology. The Mercedes people approached us in 2010, deliberations and working parties in 2011, we trialled a "merger" in 2012 (3 premierships , B & C Grade) and formalised the arrangement as an "affiliation" in 2013. If you weren't part of the deliberations which led up to the affiliation you would have no idea of very methodical and business like approach to the process.

Zero points really didn't get talked about as much as the additional off field support which we needed. Anyway, my lad (an A Grader) started playing for Unley as an under 9, I've been involved in a number of roles, our family have nothing to do with Mercedes beyond the footy affiliation (an Unley High old collegian actually - FYI - UFC initially started as "Unley High Old Collegians" and the constitution still recognises that fact) - and I actually have heart and soul commitment to the club. No sell out in my view, in fact it was a desire to see the club survive which gained the broad acceptance by the Unley membership.

Many clubs have affiliations designed to foster their aims. As I said in my post, if you're not looking around to see who you can form alliances with then you're not thinking beyond the square. Nuff said, you're entitled to your opinion, even if you're wrong

So can Unley then count students from Unley High & Mercedes as 0 pointers if they meet the rules?
FYI not a dig, just interesting having 3 sources of players be eligible for 0 point status.

[Jimmy_041]

You have to play 20 games for the feed in school
I'm not sure UHS play in a competition that would allow that

[jo172]

You have to play 20 games for the feed in school
I'm not sure UHS play in a competition that would allow that

When I was at school they definitely had some teams in ISSA. Apart from that if you field a knockout side all five years of high school and make decent run at it you'd just scrape in!

[heater31]

You have to play 20 games for the feed in school
I'm not sure UHS play in a competition that would allow that

When I was at school they definitely had some teams in ISSA. Apart from that if you field a knockout side all five years of high school and make decent run at it you'd just scrape in!

Would have to play at least 4 games every year. How many knockout rounds per season?

[jo172]

You have to play 20 games for the feed in school
I'm not sure UHS play in a competition that would allow that

When I was at school they definitely had some teams in ISSA. Apart from that if you field a knockout side all five years of high school and make decent run at it you'd just scrape in!

Would have to play at least 4 games every year. How many knockout rounds per season?

My last year you had to play 3 bull-shit half hour games in one day to get out of round one! (from memory Unley was one of the teams we played too)

[BigB]

You have to play 20 games for the feed in school
I'm not sure UHS play in a competition that would allow that

When I was at school they definitely had some teams in ISSA. Apart from that if you field a knockout side all five years of high school and make decent run at it you'd just scrape in!

Would have to play at least 4 games every year. How many knockout rounds per season?

My last year you had to play 3 bull-shit half hour games in one day to get out of round one! (from memory Unley was one of the teams we played too)

Good question re Unley High... the relationship is still in the constitution and we get a lot of lads who are UHS grads who play but the relationship would never pass a test if you wanted to look at application of the rules.
We don't even consider it. Might be worth opening up the dialouge
And I am always a sucker for bait - too trusting of people's intelligence and integrity.. I clearly need to lower the bar - lol

[jo172]

When I was at school they definitely had some teams in ISSA. Apart from that if you field a knockout side all five years of high school and make decent run at it you'd just scrape in!

Would have to play at least 4 games every year. How many knockout rounds per season?

My last year you had to play 3 bull-shit half hour games in one day to get out of round one! (from memory Unley was one of the teams we played too)

Good question re Unley High... the relationship is still in the constitution and we get a lot of lads who are UHS grads who play but the relationship would never pass a test if you wanted to look at application of the rules.
We don't even consider it. Might be worth opening up the dialouge
And I am always a sucker for bait - too trusting of people's intelligence and integrity.. I clearly need to lower the bar - lol

You're in the wrong corner of the internet for trusting intelligence

[Look Good In Leather]

You have to play 20 games for the feed in school
I'm not sure UHS play in a competition that would allow that

This was the original question, is there a requirement on the club to prove that the individual played the required 20 games?

[FOURTH ESTATE]

Yes if challenged

[laser]

So can Unley then count students from Unley High & Mercedes as 0 pointers if they meet the rules?
FYI not a dig, just interesting having 3 sources of players be eligible for 0 point status.

Not the Unley High lads.

[Look Good In Leather]

Yes if challenged

Do they ever get challenged?

[Jimmy_041]

Yes if challenged

Do they ever get challenged?

Yes

[jo172]

Yes if challenged

Do they ever get challenged?

Yes

Really? Who's got time for that?

[Jimmy_041]

Yes if challenged

Do they ever get challenged?

Yes

Really? Who's got time for that?

There have been a few challenges since the point system came in.
On the UMJ situation, they were not given retrospective rights to players who had qualified via Mercedes College before the change in their Constitution, and UMJ never disputed the decision.
There have been other submissions about having rights to a particular group and each were considered on their merits.
On an individual basis, each club has to manage the points allocation for every player including juniors who join the club from any avenue including their own juniors. Old scholars clubs are no different to district clubs.
Get caught......