CH9AFL Division 2 2016

[Robran]

Bald headed guy?

No, older grey haired fella. Couldn't believe what he wasn't paying, especially for one SPOC player. Had to smile when he paid a free against said SPOC player then started yelling at him "if he doesn't calm down he'll pay 25 metres as well" to which the SPOC player pointed out correctly that the umpire was the only one doing any yelling

Reckon same fella we had against phos during the year he was losing it and just making stupid decisions both myself and Quinny told him to take control he looked at us and said u take FN control and to shut up. We got together after the game and said we should really do something about the way he spoke to us but then decided not to because some how it would be put back on us cause we all no they the umps word is final..

This week SPOC in a upset well done to both teams.

[Eagles2014]

Heard rumour the guy who coached Paskeville to Premiership recently been appointed as new coach at SMOSH?

[TIRED TIGER]

Shaun Glacken, coached Rosewater before going to Paskeville. Should be in the Division 3 thread though. Did Carey Payne not want to go on????

[Robran]

Shaun Glacken, coached Rosewater before going to Paskeville. Should be in the Division 3 thread though. Did Carey Payne not want to go on????

Yes I did TT but club decided to get a new footbAll director in from the outside, and basically from my understanding he endorsed the new coach. Although very disappointed the decision was made and that's that, you move on and hope something else pops up,Good luck to the smosh players next year great bunch of lads.

[marbles]

Unley
Henley
Shocs
Phos
Gaza
Old iggies
Scotch
Broadview
Pembroke
Athelstone

Just havin a look at the new div 2

[TIRED TIGER]

Interesting that more college sides than club sides now in div 2. Will only get more lopsided as the apps and salary cap take hold sadly imo

[marbles]

Interesting that more college sides than club sides now in div 2. Will only get more lopsided as the apps and salary cap take hold sadly imo

Anzac day is a tuesday so no broadies vs sharks?

[TIRED TIGER]

Why not, would be good. Beats watching Collingwood/ Essendon

[Jetters]

Interesting that more college sides than club sides now in div 2. Will only get more lopsided as the apps and salary cap take hold sadly imo

5.5 to 4.5 the way of community sides?? We're 50/50 and PHOS don't count as an old scholars club.

What is BS though is that the big private schools effectively have paid juniors, dishing out a ton of sports scholarships which are a massive benefit to the old scholars club. Not their direct purpose, but works that way in effect. There needs to be tougher rules on private schools recruiting kids in year 11 and 12 and then being 0 pointers for the OS team. It's harder for community clubs to meet the points qualifications as private schools can force these kids to play, where as community clubs lose the potential to have their kids qualify for 0 point status when they lose/encourage them to play at SANFL clubs.

Also, what a great division for travel!

[bird of prey]

Interesting that more college sides than club sides now in div 2. Will only get more lopsided as the apps and salary cap take hold sadly imo

5.5 to 4.5 the way of community sides?? We're 50/50 and PHOS don't count as an old scholars club.

What is BS though is that the big private schools effectively have paid juniors, dishing out a ton of sports scholarships which are a massive benefit to the old scholars club. Not their direct purpose, but works that way in effect. There needs to be tougher rules on private schools recruiting kids in year 11 and 12 and then being 0 pointers for the OS team. It's harder for community clubs to meet the points qualifications as private schools can force these kids to play, where as community clubs lose the potential to have their kids qualify for 0 point status when they lose/encourage them to play at SANFL clubs.

Also, what a great division for travel!

I agree. I've been saying this for the last few years. It gives em an unfair advantage.

[Trader]

I thought they had to play three years? So those on first XVIII scholarships (years 11 and 12 only) don't qualify as zero pointers?

[Jetters]

Not done on years, just 25 games isn't it?

There should be significantly tougher rules on OS/OC clubs.
- They effectively pay the best kids/their families to play for their juniors (a ridiculous but true concept), removing them from their junior club.
- The age which games count towards a kids 0 point eligibility is the age when community clubs are directing talented kids towards SANFL clubs, therefore restricting eligibility.
- Private schools restrict kids from playing at SANFL clubs in this 0 point eligibility age, ensuring eligibility.

Why would these two scenarios have the same qualification requirements when you are clearly dealing with apples and oranges. Not to mention one side gets to self police.

Either SAAFL take action or Mercedes College start dishing out some sporting scholarships!!

[Jimmy_041]

I thought they had to play three years? So those on first XVIII scholarships (years 11 and 12 only) don't qualify as zero pointers?

Correct if they haven't kept records
And it's 20 games anyway
Plus all kids are zero points for ALL clubs if they haven't played senior football
But let's not let facts get in the way of the bull$hit
As for unfair advantage; how about having BOTH a school / club pipeline: Me thinks "The lady doth protest too much"

[bird of prey]

I thought they had to play three years? So those on first XVIII scholarships (years 11 and 12 only) don't qualify as zero pointers?

Correct if they haven't kept records
And it's 20 games anyway
Plus all kids are zero points for ALL clubs if they haven't played senior football
But let's not let facts get in the way of the bull$hit
As for unfair advantage; how about having BOTH a school / club pipeline: Me thinks "The lady doth protest too much"

It's not so much the points system that's the issue, but the salary cap. Offering scholarships worth $15k-$20k/year over 3-4 years per kid adds up to a lot of money.

[Jimmy_041]

I thought they had to play three years? So those on first XVIII scholarships (years 11 and 12 only) don't qualify as zero pointers?

Correct if they haven't kept records
And it's 20 games anyway
Plus all kids are zero points for ALL clubs if they haven't played senior football
But let's not let facts get in the way of the bull$hit
As for unfair advantage; how about having BOTH a school / club pipeline: Me thinks "The lady doth protest too much"

It's not so much the points system that's the issue, but the salary cap. Offering scholarships worth $15k-$20k/year over 3-4 years per kid adds up to a lot of money.

They are still zero points for ALL clubs when they change from juniors to seniors
And, the vast majority of secondary school players play club football not SANFL so they are juniors for both old scholars and district clubs
I'm no fan of the salary cap either, but it's not the excuse, otherwise many of my mates would have played for a district club during the "amateur" era

[jo172]

I understand your point Jimmy, and the vast majority of all zero pointers will be people registering for the first time in senior footy.

You do get some odd anomalies though. Take Brad Hartman, whose first registration with a senior club was with the Geelong Football Club. I'd say salary cap or no salary cap, TPPS or no TPPS Sturt, SPOC and Murray Bridge Ramblers are going to have a hard time competing with Geelong for where Brad wanted to play football.

The AFL system doesn't work out for Brad, and he elects to not go into the SANFL system.

By virtue of his sporting scholarship at Saints he's a zero pointer for SPOC (along with Ramblers) whereas had he desired to play at any other Community Club governed by TPPS he would have been 4 points (on the assumption he played mostly SANFL/VFL seniors the preceding year).

My suspicion is that this is the kind of case which annoys the above posters more, rather than 18 year olds electing their first senior club.

To play the devil's advocate, are blokes like Hartman such an anomaly that this isn't really worth worrying about? Is the League better-off, in the event that Hartman is such an anomaly, that blokes his caliber are playing in the C9AFL rather than in the BLG, GSFL, HFL etc.?

[Jimmy_041]

I understand your point Jimmy, and the vast majority of all zero pointers will be people registering for the first time in senior footy.

You do get some odd anomalies though. Take Brad Hartman, whose first registration with a senior club was with the Geelong Football Club. I'd say salary cap or no salary cap, TPPS or no TPPS Sturt, SPOC and Murray Bridge Ramblers are going to have a hard time competing with Geelong for where Brad wanted to play football.

The AFL system doesn't work out for Brad, and he elects to not go into the SANFL system.

By virtue of his sporting scholarship at Saints he's a zero pointer for SPOC (along with Ramblers) whereas had he desired to play at any other Community Club governed by TPPS he would have been 4 points (on the assumption he played mostly SANFL/VFL seniors the preceding year).

My suspicion is that this is the kind of case which annoys the above posters more, rather than 18 year olds electing their first senior club.

To play the devil's advocate, are blokes like Hartman such an anomaly that this isn't really worth worrying about? Is the League better-off, in the event that Hartman is such an anomaly, that blokes his caliber are playing in the C9AFL rather than in the BLG, GSFL, HFL etc.?

I think they are an anomaly. Would you be worrying about it if he had gone to Ramblers? How many of the PAOC A Grade were scholarship students?
I also think the much bigger problem is some district clubs hogging all of the juniors and other clubs can't build their junior system even though they watch car loads drive past their oval every Sunday
When is the SANFL or NEMJFA going to address this problem? In fact, I have no doubt the NEMJFA will never do anything about it.

[jo172]

I understand your point Jimmy, and the vast majority of all zero pointers will be people registering for the first time in senior footy.

You do get some odd anomalies though. Take Brad Hartman, whose first registration with a senior club was with the Geelong Football Club. I'd say salary cap or no salary cap, TPPS or no TPPS Sturt, SPOC and Murray Bridge Ramblers are going to have a hard time competing with Geelong for where Brad wanted to play football.

The AFL system doesn't work out for Brad, and he elects to not go into the SANFL system.

By virtue of his sporting scholarship at Saints he's a zero pointer for SPOC (along with Ramblers) whereas had he desired to play at any other Community Club governed by TPPS he would have been 4 points (on the assumption he played mostly SANFL/VFL seniors the preceding year).

My suspicion is that this is the kind of case which annoys the above posters more, rather than 18 year olds electing their first senior club.

To play the devil's advocate, are blokes like Hartman such an anomaly that this isn't really worth worrying about? Is the League better-off, in the event that Hartman is such an anomaly, that blokes his caliber are playing in the C9AFL rather than in the BLG, GSFL, HFL etc.?

I think they are an anomaly. Would you be worrying about it if he had gone to Ramblers? How many of the PAOC A Grade were scholarship students?
I also think the much bigger problem is some district clubs hogging all of the juniors and other clubs can't build their junior system even though they watch car loads drive past their oval every Sunday
When is the SANFL or NEMJFA going to address this problem? In fact, I have no doubt the NEMJFA will never do anything about it.

A subject for a different thread, but the SANFL juniors position on this (and I'm well aware that you're trying to stir people up/deflect from the current discussion) is patently absurd. I liked the Golden Grove point of view. If they're not allowed to fill two teams where will their second team go? TTG? Also have two teams, so now that's 2 teams worth of footballers looking for new clubs. Where should they go? Modbury? Also have two teams, now we've got three teams worth of players looking for new clubs.

The SANFL's one team per age group policy is a brilliant one if the aim is to get more kids playing soccer and basketball.

EDIT - if someone really wants to get into this please put this into the juniors thread. I'm also of the view that where possible having Red & White teams is far more beneficial for junior development.

[Jimmy_041]

I understand your point Jimmy, and the vast majority of all zero pointers will be people registering for the first time in senior footy.

You do get some odd anomalies though. Take Brad Hartman, whose first registration with a senior club was with the Geelong Football Club. I'd say salary cap or no salary cap, TPPS or no TPPS Sturt, SPOC and Murray Bridge Ramblers are going to have a hard time competing with Geelong for where Brad wanted to play football.

The AFL system doesn't work out for Brad, and he elects to not go into the SANFL system.

By virtue of his sporting scholarship at Saints he's a zero pointer for SPOC (along with Ramblers) whereas had he desired to play at any other Community Club governed by TPPS he would have been 4 points (on the assumption he played mostly SANFL/VFL seniors the preceding year).

My suspicion is that this is the kind of case which annoys the above posters more, rather than 18 year olds electing their first senior club.

To play the devil's advocate, are blokes like Hartman such an anomaly that this isn't really worth worrying about? Is the League better-off, in the event that Hartman is such an anomaly, that blokes his caliber are playing in the C9AFL rather than in the BLG, GSFL, HFL etc.?

I think they are an anomaly. Would you be worrying about it if he had gone to Ramblers? How many of the PAOC A Grade were scholarship students?
I also think the much bigger problem is some district clubs hogging all of the juniors and other clubs can't build their junior system even though they watch car loads drive past their oval every Sunday
When is the SANFL or NEMJFA going to address this problem? In fact, I have no doubt the NEMJFA will never do anything about it.

A subject for a different thread, but the SANFL juniors position on this (and I'm well aware that you're trying to stir people up/deflect from the current discussion) is patently absurd. I liked the Golden Grove point of view. If they're not allowed to fill two teams where will their second team go? TTG? Also have two teams, so now that's 2 teams worth of footballers looking for new clubs. Where should they go? Modbury? Also have two teams, now we've got three teams worth of players looking for new clubs.

The SANFL's one team per age group policy is a brilliant one if the aim is to get more kids playing soccer and basketball.

EDIT - if someone really wants to get into this please put this into the juniors thread. I'm also of the view that where possible having Red & White teams is far more beneficial for junior development.

No, not deflecting at all. Just putting a mirror up.
I don't subscribe to the socialist doctrine of dragging everyone down to the same common low denominator because you can't sort your own $hit out so hit out at those that have.

As I asked; how many of the PAOC A (or B) Grade were scholarship students?

[jo172]

I understand your point Jimmy, and the vast majority of all zero pointers will be people registering for the first time in senior footy.

You do get some odd anomalies though. Take Brad Hartman, whose first registration with a senior club was with the Geelong Football Club. I'd say salary cap or no salary cap, TPPS or no TPPS Sturt, SPOC and Murray Bridge Ramblers are going to have a hard time competing with Geelong for where Brad wanted to play football.

The AFL system doesn't work out for Brad, and he elects to not go into the SANFL system.

By virtue of his sporting scholarship at Saints he's a zero pointer for SPOC (along with Ramblers) whereas had he desired to play at any other Community Club governed by TPPS he would have been 4 points (on the assumption he played mostly SANFL/VFL seniors the preceding year).

My suspicion is that this is the kind of case which annoys the above posters more, rather than 18 year olds electing their first senior club.

To play the devil's advocate, are blokes like Hartman such an anomaly that this isn't really worth worrying about? Is the League better-off, in the event that Hartman is such an anomaly, that blokes his caliber are playing in the C9AFL rather than in the BLG, GSFL, HFL etc.?

I think they are an anomaly. Would you be worrying about it if he had gone to Ramblers? How many of the PAOC A Grade were scholarship students?
I also think the much bigger problem is some district clubs hogging all of the juniors and other clubs can't build their junior system even though they watch car loads drive past their oval every Sunday
When is the SANFL or NEMJFA going to address this problem? In fact, I have no doubt the NEMJFA will never do anything about it.

A subject for a different thread, but the SANFL juniors position on this (and I'm well aware that you're trying to stir people up/deflect from the current discussion) is patently absurd. I liked the Golden Grove point of view. If they're not allowed to fill two teams where will their second team go? TTG? Also have two teams, so now that's 2 teams worth of footballers looking for new clubs. Where should they go? Modbury? Also have two teams, now we've got three teams worth of players looking for new clubs.

The SANFL's one team per age group policy is a brilliant one if the aim is to get more kids playing soccer and basketball.

EDIT - if someone really wants to get into this please put this into the juniors thread. I'm also of the view that where possible having Red & White teams is far more beneficial for junior development.

No, not deflecting at all. Just putting a mirror up.
I don't subscribe to the socialist doctrine of dragging everyone down to the same common low denominator because you can't sort your own $hit out so hit out at those that have.

As I asked; how many of the PAOC A (or B) Grade were scholarship students?

I've got no heavenly idea. From what I understand Castree was?

I suspect very few sporting scholarship students end up in the Community Football system as most are good enough to make it to the AFL and/or League level. I also understand many are from the Country and in the event they don't make it (or wash out of the Big Leagues) will more than likely end up in the Country Leagues.

My only dramas with the College TPPS system is being able to claim 3 years as sufficient without sports pulse records etc. to actually measure the 20 games. My understanding is that there are plans to rectify this? My only point here is that I can think of more than a few blokes who would go through our juniors and just miss out on 20 games between 13 and 16 (or is it 18?).

If a kid is good enough to be involved in the state programs, league clubs and plays college football he may narrowly miss playing 20 games (but still be good for 3-4 each year) and be involved in the place for five years.

I'm well on record as saying the substantial reason for PAOC's success (particularly down the grades) is that PAC has been the best football school for 7-8 years now. You can draw a line from SHOC being a similar powerhouse 4-5 years ago after Sacred Hart came off a 10 year stretch of being the best football school.