Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

[fish]

Ahh, now I understand. Everyone else is incapable of researching for themselves or having an educated opinion and joins the mob whilst you are a far superior being. Another classic Psyber post

Not at all..
My view is that we are all capable of doing our own reading, and of asking questions of people who may be able to point us to data that will help rational decision making.
I regard simply joining the mob without doing the reading as sheer laziness, and trying to push others to do so as a form of bullying and political proselytising that needs to be resisted.

Psyber I assume you are referring to people such as Sky Pilot and "straight talker" who, as shown in this post, appear to swallow and regurgitate denialist rubbish from who knows where.

Sky Pilot mentioned something about Fox News and we know "straight talker" gets his climate change "info" from sites such as Minnesotans for Global Warming.

Neither poster was able to substantiate their claims when asked - a classic example of joining the mob and laziness you posted about!

Oh I should also mention Mr. Abbott, who believes carbon dioxide is weightless.

It would be nice if he and his advisers had better research skills!

[fish]

Its called the Milankovitch cycle. Just because it doesn't fit the hysteria, doesn't mean it is untrue

Jimmy if you believe the Milankovitch Cycle is responsible for the current warming of the planet you have either misunderstood or ignored what the latest science is telling us:

It is beyond reasonable doubt that human activities – the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation – are triggering the changes we are witnessing in the global climate.

A very large body of observations, experiments, analyses, and physical theory points to increasing greenhouse gases in the atmosphere – with carbon dioxide being the most important – as the primary cause of the observed warming.

Increasing carbon dioxide emissions are primarily produced by the burning of fossil fuels, such as coal and oil, as well as deforestation.

Natural factors, like changes in the Earth’s orbit or solar activity, cannot explain the world-wide warming trend.

I am seriously wondering where you are coming from in this debate - first you say we contribute to the climate problem then you contradict yourself and suggest it's just a natural cycle.

A bit like Tony Abbott - first he wants a carbon tax then he doesnt. He says the science of climate change is crap then he proposes to introduce a scheme to deal with Australias carbon emissions. WTF?

Sometimes I think the climate change deniers are just making it up as they go along.

[redandblack]

I really don't like the description "Un-Australian", bu Mr Abbott was asked if it was OK to shift Question Time tomorrow by 15 minutes.

Guess what his answer was?






No......

[Jimmy_041]

Its called the Milankovitch cycle. Just because it doesn't fit the hysteria, doesn't mean it is untrue

Jimmy if you believe the Milankovitch Cycle is responsible for the current warming of the planet you have either misunderstood or ignored what the latest science is telling us:

It is beyond reasonable doubt that human activities – the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation – are triggering the changes we are witnessing in the global climate.

A very large body of observations, experiments, analyses, and physical theory points to increasing greenhouse gases in the atmosphere – with carbon dioxide being the most important – as the primary cause of the observed warming.

Increasing carbon dioxide emissions are primarily produced by the burning of fossil fuels, such as coal and oil, as well as deforestation.

Natural factors, like changes in the Earth’s orbit or solar activity, cannot explain the world-wide warming trend.

I am seriously wondering where you are coming from in this debate - first you say we contribute to the climate problem then you contradict yourself and suggest it's just a natural cycle.

A bit like Tony Abbott - first he wants a carbon tax then he doesnt. He says the science of climate change is crap then he proposes to introduce a scheme to deal with Australias carbon emissions. WTF?

Sometimes I think the climate change deniers are just making it up as they go along.

Well, maybe you should pull your head out of your ar$e and read what I write instead of just having a a pig headed view that anyone who doesn't agree with you is wrong and an idiot.

Instead of repeating myself, go back and read for yourself FFS

[Sky Pilot]

Its called the Milankovitch cycle. Just because it doesn't fit the hysteria, doesn't mean it is untrue

Jimmy if you believe the Milankovitch Cycle is responsible for the current warming of the planet you have either misunderstood or ignored what the latest science is telling us:

It is beyond reasonable doubt that human activities – the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation – are triggering the changes we are witnessing in the global climate.

A very large body of observations, experiments, analyses, and physical theory points to increasing greenhouse gases in the atmosphere – with carbon dioxide being the most important – as the primary cause of the observed warming.

Increasing carbon dioxide emissions are primarily produced by the burning of fossil fuels, such as coal and oil, as well as deforestation.

Natural factors, like changes in the Earth’s orbit or solar activity, cannot explain the world-wide warming trend.

I am seriously wondering where you are coming from in this debate - first you say we contribute to the climate problem then you contradict yourself and suggest it's just a natural cycle.

A bit like Tony Abbott - first he wants a carbon tax then he doesnt. He says the science of climate change is crap then he proposes to introduce a scheme to deal with Australias carbon emissions. WTF?

Sometimes I think the climate change deniers are just making it up as they go along.

Well, maybe you should pull your head out of your ar$e and read what I write instead of just having a a pig headed view that anyone who doesn't agree with you is wrong and an idiot.

Instead of repeating myself, go back and read for yourself FFS

Classic. Three votes Jimmy

[redandblack]

Yes, classic, three votes in the "I haven't got an argument so I'll just abuse you" stakes

[Jimmy_041]

Yes, classic, three votes in the "I haven't got an argument so I'll just abuse you" stakes

Gee - go look in the mirror about abusing people - biggest troll on this site.

[redandblack]

Oh, I (and half the site) could name one or two professional trolls on here.

I seem to be only called a troll by those who disagree with me politically and get frustrated by facts.

Read your last post to fish and see if I'm not right about the three stars

[Jimmy_041]

No - you get called a troll because you continually try to browbeat everyone into agreeing with your views whilst trying to make out that you are objective.
I may not agree with your politics but I accept that - you just get on here to stir up an argument and only accept other people's views if they suit you.
I am quite certain Fish can give me a good comeback without the need for you to stick your nose into it - you are a troll - go suck some lemons elsewhere

And you can stick your where the sun don't shine as well.

[redandblack]

This is a Politics Forum, Jimmy.

I put my point of view, you put yours.

I've obviously made the mistake of thinking you could take it as well as dishing it out, but I'll bear in mind that you feel browbeaten if I post my opinion or answer your insults with facts.

It would be much nicer if there was a lot more politeness all round and I think most posters would respond to that, including me, but perhaps that's a forlorn hope if some posters think your abuse of other posters is 'classic'



Jimmy_041

Well, maybe you should pull your head out of your ar$e and read what I write instead of just having a a pig headed view that anyone who doesn't agree with you is wrong and an idiot.

[i]And you can stick your where the sun don't shine as well.

[redandblack]

Actually, reading that, I wish you would make up your mind, Jimmy.

One minute you're telling me to pull my head out of my arse, the next you're telling me to put it back in

[Psyber]

Ahh, now I understand. Everyone else is incapable of researching for themselves or having an educated opinion and joins the mob whilst you are a far superior being. Another classic Psyber post

Not at all..
My view is that we are all capable of doing our own reading, and of asking questions of people who may be able to point us to data that will help rational decision making.
I regard simply joining the mob without doing the reading as sheer laziness, and trying to push others to do so as a form of bullying and political proselytising that needs to be resisted.

Psyber I assume you are referring to people such as Sky Pilot and "straight talker" who, as shown in this post, appear to swallow and regurgitate denialist rubbish from who knows where.

Sky Pilot mentioned something about Fox News and we know "straight talker" gets his climate change "info" from sites such as Minnesotans for Global Warming.

Neither poster was able to substantiate their claims when asked - a classic example of joining the mob and laziness you posted about!

Oh I should also mention Mr. Abbott, who believes carbon dioxide is weightless.

It would be nice if he and his advisers had better research skills!

No argument from me there, fish.
I assume there are some people in whom the lack of research is inability rather than laziness, but I expect most of those unfortunates would also struggle to get on line without help.
Tony Abbott has no excuse - "almost weightless" may have gotten him off the hook a bit, but even that is a stretch in the context.

[fish]

Jimmy... I am seriously wondering where you are coming from in this debate - first you say we contribute to the climate problem then you contradict yourself and suggest it's just a natural cycle.

A bit like Tony Abbott - first he wants a carbon tax then he doesnt. He says the science of climate change is crap then he proposes to introduce a scheme to deal with Australias carbon emissions. WTF?

Sometimes I think the climate change deniers are just making it up as they go along.

Well, maybe you should pull your head out of your ar$e and read what I write instead of just having a a pig headed view that anyone who doesn't agree with you is wrong and an idiot.

Instead of repeating myself, go back and read for yourself FFS

Jimmy your rude response was a shock but not entirely unexpected - I'd be pretty pissed off if I was compared to Tony Abbott!

Where did I call you, or anyone else, an idiot?

[dedja]

Oh, I (and half the site) could name one or two professional trolls on here.

So one can make a living out of it?

[dedja]

Actually, reading that, I wish you would make up your mind, Jimmy.

One minute you're telling me to pull my head out of my arse, the next you're telling me to put it back in

Well Jimmy, he does seem to have a point there ...

[Jimmy_041]

Actually, reading that, I wish you would make up your mind, Jimmy.

One minute you're telling me to pull my head out of my arse, the next you're telling me to put it back in

Well Jimmy, he does seem to have a point there ...

Well spotted there mate

He can leave it up there for all I care.... hang on, let me add one of these so I seem to be intelligent, whereas in fact, I am an opinionated prick that doesn't even consider there could possibly be an alternative view - oh............hang on

[Jimmy_041]

Jimmy... I am seriously wondering where you are coming from in this debate - first you say we contribute to the climate problem then you contradict yourself and suggest it's just a natural cycle.

A bit like Tony Abbott - first he wants a carbon tax then he doesnt. He says the science of climate change is crap then he proposes to introduce a scheme to deal with Australias carbon emissions. WTF?

Sometimes I think the climate change deniers are just making it up as they go along.

Well, maybe you should pull your head out of your ar$e and read what I write instead of just having a a pig headed view that anyone who doesn't agree with you is wrong and an idiot.

Instead of repeating myself, go back and read for yourself FFS

Jimmy your rude response was a shock but not entirely unexpected - I'd be pretty pissed off if I was compared to Tony Abbott!

Where did I call you, or anyone else, an idiot?

I have said, and still believe, that we are within a cycle and that mankind is contributing to the problem.
It was not long ago that people on here were predicting the death of the Murray whilst I said it was a cycle.

My entire argument is that we in Australia will make SFA difference unless the top 10 polluters do something.
The argument that we are, per capita, one of the worst polluters, is totally hollow and a complete abuse of statistics. We make SFA difference compared to the top 10 - look at the scientific facts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We are destroying our great country in the pursuit of an ideology that we want to be the front runners when the worst people will rape us blind.
In addition, the fact that this government will use this entire subject as an opportunity to redistribute wealth makes a total mockery of the whole situation.
If you, and I mean YOU R&B , think the people of Australia are stupid enough to accept that people on lower incomes should get more compensation for the carbon tax than everyone else, and not see it as blatant wealth distribution, then you really are viewing your larger intestine - hang on

[Jimmy_041]

Carbon taxes are a good idea if funding is funnelled into renewable energy R&D to promote the uptake of low CO2E energy sources (which is part of the intention of ours). Solar power is set to dominate on a global scale and we have the opportunity to capitalise on this boom like we've capitalised on our mining industry.

Instead of blatant wealth re-distribution which is what this proposal is all about

I repeat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Gozu]

Jimmy, you're carrying on like somebody that watches Fox News.

Welfare by definition is wealth redistribution and something all sane people support so to take your bleating to it's logical conclusion, do you think welfare should be scrapped?

[redandblack]

Actually, reading that, I wish you would make up your mind, Jimmy.

One minute you're telling me to pull my head out of my arse, the next you're telling me to put it back in

Well Jimmy, he does seem to have a point there ...

Well spotted there mate

He can leave it up there for all I care.... hang on, let me add one of these so I seem to be intelligent, whereas in fact, I am an opinionated prick that doesn't even consider there could possibly be an alternative view - oh............hang on

Jimmy, any chance you can debate the issue without all the personal abuse?