Australia v Windies - Test series

[Q.]

Oh dear, that's a terrible leave.

[jackpot jim]

Pathetic run outs.
Bowled without playing a shot.

Is it any wonder the Windies are just plain S**T ?????????

It doesnt take a truck load of $$$$ from the ICC to get the Windies back up to standard, Just half a brain to say "NO - WAIT" and USE THE BLOODY BAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Those 2 SIMPLE things may just help a bit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[valleys07]

Pathetic run outs.
Bowled without playing a shot.

Is it any wonder the Windies are just plain S**T ?????????

It doesnt take a truck load of $$$$ from the ICC to get the Windies back up to standard, Just half a brain to say "NO - WAIT" and USE THE BLOODY BAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Those 2 SIMPLE things may just help a bit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not to mention that you need to take wickets to win games, and the Windies have managed an innings worth in 2 tests.

It's going to be a bloody long road back to the top- one I simply can't see them taking- not with the $$$$$ available in T20 comps.

[daysofourlives]

Seriously how the hell does O'keefe get 2 test matches. What has he done since his horrible debut in the spin friendly conditions of Dubai to make the selectors believe he is any closer to Test standard now?
Lyon is getting alot of turn and bounce, O'keefe not so much, infact none

[Jim05]

Seriously how the hell does O'keefe get 2 test matches. What has he done since his horrible debut in the spin friendly conditions of Dubai to make the selectors believe he is any closer to Test standard now?
Lyon is getting alot of turn and bounce, O'keefe not so much, infact none

Sadly I have to agree. The sad thing is he is still probably the second best spinner in Australia as his Shield results have shown. Really need one of these younger guys to come through

[The Dark Knight]

Seriously how the hell does O'keefe get 2 test matches. What has he done since his horrible debut in the spin friendly conditions of Dubai to make the selectors believe he is any closer to Test standard now?

Lyon is getting alot of turn and bounce, O'keefe not so much, infact none

Like the majority of Australian cricketers he's been selected on the back of a very good Sheffield shield career, also bowled very well on the recent Australia A tour so he deserves to be selected as the second spinner.

If Lyon was ever unavailable who would you pick as our test match spinner? O'Keefe has got the first class success and experience to be that man, you can't deny that. Or would you pick Fawad Ahmed? Aston Agar is way off getting another opportunity at test level.

But today he hasn't looked threatening at all today, like you've mentioned you turn and bounce for him at all. In his first spell he was bowling too fast and was too negative. He just needs a wicket to get himself going.

[Jim05]

SOK gets one.
Holder looked all at sea against both spinners

[The Dark Knight]

SOK gets one.
Holder looked all at sea against both spinners

Yes!

[daysofourlives]

Seriously how the hell does O'keefe get 2 test matches. What has he done since his horrible debut in the spin friendly conditions of Dubai to make the selectors believe he is any closer to Test standard now?

Lyon is getting alot of turn and bounce, O'keefe not so much, infact none

Like the majority of Australian cricketers he's been selected on the back of a very good Sheffield shield career, also bowled very well on the recent Australia A tour so he deserves to be selected as the second spinner.

If Lyon was ever unavailable who would you pick as our test match spinner? O'Keefe has got the first class success and experience to be that man, you can't deny that. Or would you pick Fawad Ahmed? Aston Agar is way off getting another opportunity at test level.

But today he hasn't looked threatening at all today, like you've mentioned you turn and bounce for him at all. In his first spell he was bowling too fast and was too negative. He just needs a wicket to get himself going.

If i'm picking a 2nd spinner Im picking one on potential preferably a leg spinner. Im not picking a guy who has proven he is not up to it, his performance in Dubai should of had his papers stamped.
If I'm picking someone to replace Lyon I'm picking a quick as we dont have a spinner thats up to it

[The Dark Knight]

Seriously how the hell does O'keefe get 2 test matches. What has he done since his horrible debut in the spin friendly conditions of Dubai to make the selectors believe he is any closer to Test standard now?

Lyon is getting alot of turn and bounce, O'keefe not so much, infact none

Like the majority of Australian cricketers he's been selected on the back of a very good Sheffield shield career, also bowled very well on the recent Australia A tour so he deserves to be selected as the second spinner.

If Lyon was ever unavailable who would you pick as our test match spinner? O'Keefe has got the first class success and experience to be that man, you can't deny that. Or would you pick Fawad Ahmed? Aston Agar is way off getting another opportunity at test level.

But today he hasn't looked threatening at all today, like you've mentioned you turn and bounce for him at all. In his first spell he was bowling too fast and was too negative. He just needs a wicket to get himself going.

If i'm picking a 2nd spinner Im picking one on potential preferably a leg spinner. Im not picking a guy who has proven he is not up to it, his performance in Dubai should of had his papers stamped.
If I'm picking someone to replace Lyon I'm picking a quick as we dont have a spinner thats up to it

Ok well looking at what there is in state level at the moment who would you pick on potential?

I think every cricketer deserves a second chance at it if their form warrents it.

People (this is not directly pointed at you Daisy) like to express their opinion on a particular player that shouldn't be there but I like to know who they would pick instead.

The selectors have Scott Boland in the squad which I think is an odd decision and IMO I would have Jackson Bird instead, I still think he's got something to offer at test level.

[Jim05]

Seriously how the hell does O'keefe get 2 test matches. What has he done since his horrible debut in the spin friendly conditions of Dubai to make the selectors believe he is any closer to Test standard now?

Lyon is getting alot of turn and bounce, O'keefe not so much, infact none

Like the majority of Australian cricketers he's been selected on the back of a very good Sheffield shield career, also bowled very well on the recent Australia A tour so he deserves to be selected as the second spinner.

If Lyon was ever unavailable who would you pick as our test match spinner? O'Keefe has got the first class success and experience to be that man, you can't deny that. Or would you pick Fawad Ahmed? Aston Agar is way off getting another opportunity at test level.

But today he hasn't looked threatening at all today, like you've mentioned you turn and bounce for him at all. In his first spell he was bowling too fast and was too negative. He just needs a wicket to get himself going.

If i'm picking a 2nd spinner Im picking one on potential preferably a leg spinner. Im not picking a guy who has proven he is not up to it, his performance in Dubai should of had his papers stamped.
If I'm picking someone to replace Lyon I'm picking a quick as we dont have a spinner thats up to it

Unfortunately that's the trouble with this Mickey Mouse cricket being played when we should be playing shield cricket. When someone goes out injured we are picking guys with no meaningful cricket under their belt for nearly a month. Would rather see another quick play and Warner/Smith bowl a few overs of spin

[The Dark Knight]

Seriously how the hell does O'keefe get 2 test matches. What has he done since his horrible debut in the spin friendly conditions of Dubai to make the selectors believe he is any closer to Test standard now?

Lyon is getting alot of turn and bounce, O'keefe not so much, infact none

Like the majority of Australian cricketers he's been selected on the back of a very good Sheffield shield career, also bowled very well on the recent Australia A tour so he deserves to be selected as the second spinner.

If Lyon was ever unavailable who would you pick as our test match spinner? O'Keefe has got the first class success and experience to be that man, you can't deny that. Or would you pick Fawad Ahmed? Aston Agar is way off getting another opportunity at test level.

But today he hasn't looked threatening at all today, like you've mentioned you turn and bounce for him at all. In his first spell he was bowling too fast and was too negative. He just needs a wicket to get himself going.

If i'm picking a 2nd spinner Im picking one on potential preferably a leg spinner. Im not picking a guy who has proven he is not up to it, his performance in Dubai should of had his papers stamped.
If I'm picking someone to replace Lyon I'm picking a quick as we dont have a spinner thats up to it

Unfortunately that's the trouble with this Mickey Mouse cricket being played when we should be playing shield cricket. When someone goes out injured we are picking guys with no meaningful cricket under their belt for nearly a month. Would rather see another quick play and Warner/Smith bowl a few overs of spin

Yes there's another issue. Because of that I'd prefer the Big Bash towards the end of the summer.

[Jim05]

The positive of 2 spinners is we get the over rate up!
We bowled 9 more overs than required today.

[The Dark Knight]

Good intent from Braithwaite

West Indies end the day on 6/207

[locky801]

SOK, enjoy this test, may well be your last

[daysofourlives]

Seriously how the hell does O'keefe get 2 test matches. What has he done since his horrible debut in the spin friendly conditions of Dubai to make the selectors believe he is any closer to Test standard now?

Lyon is getting alot of turn and bounce, O'keefe not so much, infact none

Like the majority of Australian cricketers he's been selected on the back of a very good Sheffield shield career, also bowled very well on the recent Australia A tour so he deserves to be selected as the second spinner.

If Lyon was ever unavailable who would you pick as our test match spinner? O'Keefe has got the first class success and experience to be that man, you can't deny that. Or would you pick Fawad Ahmed? Aston Agar is way off getting another opportunity at test level.

But today he hasn't looked threatening at all today, like you've mentioned you turn and bounce for him at all. In his first spell he was bowling too fast and was too negative. He just needs a wicket to get himself going.

If i'm picking a 2nd spinner Im picking one on potential preferably a leg spinner. Im not picking a guy who has proven he is not up to it, his performance in Dubai should of had his papers stamped.
If I'm picking someone to replace Lyon I'm picking a quick as we dont have a spinner thats up to it

Ok well looking at what there is in state level at the moment who would you pick on potential?

I think every cricketer deserves a second chance at it if their form warrents it.

People (this is not directly pointed at you Daisy) like to express their opinion on a particular player that shouldn't be there but I like to know who they would pick instead.

The selectors have Scott Boland in the squad which I think is an odd decision and IMO I would have Jackson Bird instead, I still think he's got something to offer at test level.

Any one of the legspinners in Boyce, Muirhead, Zampa, dont really care which one. As we saw today O'keefe hardly bowled at all while Lyon bowled 30 overs. IMO picking a 2nd spinner is far different to picking the sole spinner especially in Australian conditions, generally they arent needed until day 4 or 5 as opposed to the subcontinent where they are required day 1. Therefore a bigger risk can be taken.
I agree with you about Boland/Bird.

[The Dark Knight]

[quote="daysofourlives"]Seriously how the hell does O'keefe get 2 test matches. What has he done since his horrible debut in the spin friendly conditions of Dubai to make the selectors believe he is any closer to Test standard now?

Lyon is getting alot of turn and bounce, O'keefe not so much, infact none

Like the majority of Australian cricketers he's been selected on the back of a very good Sheffield shield career, also bowled very well on the recent Australia A tour so he deserves to be selected as the second spinner.

If Lyon was ever unavailable who would you pick as our test match spinner? O'Keefe has got the first class success and experience to be that man, you can't deny that. Or would you pick Fawad Ahmed? Aston Agar is way off getting another opportunity at test level.

But today he hasn't looked threatening at all today, like you've mentioned you turn and bounce for him at all. In his first spell he was bowling too fast and was too negative. He just needs a wicket to get himself going.

If i'm picking a 2nd spinner Im picking one on potential preferably a leg spinner. Im not picking a guy who has proven he is not up to it, his performance in Dubai should of had his papers stamped.
If I'm picking someone to replace Lyon I'm picking a quick as we dont have a spinner thats up to it

Ok well looking at what there is in state level at the moment who would you pick on potential?

I think every cricketer deserves a second chance at it if their form warrents it.

People (this is not directly pointed at you Daisy) like to express their opinion on a particular player that shouldn't be there but I like to know who they would pick instead.

The selectors have Scott Boland in the squad which I think is an odd decision and IMO I would have Jackson Bird instead, I still think he's got something to offer at test level.

Any one of the legspinners in Boyce, Muirhead, Zampa, dont really care which one. As we saw today O'keefe hardly bowled at all while Lyon bowled 30 overs. IMO picking a 2nd spinner is far different to picking the sole spinner especially in Australian conditions, generally they arent needed until day 4 or 5 as opposed to the subcontinent where they are required day 1. Therefore a bigger risk can be taken.
I agree with you about Boland/Bird.[/quote]
All three of those leg spinners have alot of potential (Muirhead is behind Ahmed in the ranks for Victoria but is only 22) and you'd have to say Zampa is performing the best out of the 3. I don't like picking a player on potential though.

O'Keefe bowled 14 overs which is underbowled for a spinner and definitely didn't look threatening enough like Lyon was. There's not a big justification for the second spinner being selected yet and I felt that the selectors picked a second spinner for the sake of it but it's only the end of day one. Maybe he'll pick up another wicket or two tomorrow.

[Grenville]

It's terrifying to think what Kohli, Rahane and co would do to O'Keefe in a Test Match on any ground.

[BoundaryRider84]

Seriously how the hell does O'keefe get 2 test matches. What has he done since his horrible debut in the spin friendly conditions of Dubai to make the selectors believe he is any closer to Test standard now?

Lyon is getting alot of turn and bounce, O'keefe not so much, infact none

Like the majority of Australian cricketers he's been selected on the back of a very good Sheffield shield career, also bowled very well on the recent Australia A tour so he deserves to be selected as the second spinner.

If Lyon was ever unavailable who would you pick as our test match spinner? O'Keefe has got the first class success and experience to be that man, you can't deny that. Or would you pick Fawad Ahmed? Aston Agar is way off getting another opportunity at test level.

But today he hasn't looked threatening at all today, like you've mentioned you turn and bounce for him at all. In his first spell he was bowling too fast and was too negative. He just needs a wicket to get himself going.

If i'm picking a 2nd spinner Im picking one on potential preferably a leg spinner. Im not picking a guy who has proven he is not up to it, his performance in Dubai should of had his papers stamped.
If I'm picking someone to replace Lyon I'm picking a quick as we dont have a spinner thats up to it

Nathan Lyon won't be replaced anytime soon. He would almost be one of the first players picked

[daysofourlives]

Seriously how the hell does O'keefe get 2 test matches. What has he done since his horrible debut in the spin friendly conditions of Dubai to make the selectors believe he is any closer to Test standard now?

Lyon is getting alot of turn and bounce, O'keefe not so much, infact none

Like the majority of Australian cricketers he's been selected on the back of a very good Sheffield shield career, also bowled very well on the recent Australia A tour so he deserves to be selected as the second spinner.

If Lyon was ever unavailable who would you pick as our test match spinner? O'Keefe has got the first class success and experience to be that man, you can't deny that. Or would you pick Fawad Ahmed? Aston Agar is way off getting another opportunity at test level.

But today he hasn't looked threatening at all today, like you've mentioned you turn and bounce for him at all. In his first spell he was bowling too fast and was too negative. He just needs a wicket to get himself going.

If i'm picking a 2nd spinner Im picking one on potential preferably a leg spinner. Im not picking a guy who has proven he is not up to it, his performance in Dubai should of had his papers stamped.
If I'm picking someone to replace Lyon I'm picking a quick as we dont have a spinner thats up to it

Nathan Lyon won't be replaced anytime soon. He would almost be one of the first players picked

Thanks for that captain obvious