Ch9 AFL Division 7 - 2015

[morell]

Exactly what I said before finn. Why not put SW in with us?

[marbles]

Exactly what I said before finn. Why not put SW in with us?

well if what FC claims is true, the SAAFL have another death in the family with the Henley D-Grade their latest victim

ive been campaigning all along putting AGrade vs CGrades in the same division is a virus to the leagues participation rates and once again we "may" have another loss

Division 7 needs every chance to fill agraders "only" and salisbury west must be put in Div 7 to steer clear of fielding yet another cgrader in amoungst agraders

[jo172]

Exactly what I said before finn. Why not put SW in with us?

well if what FC claims is true, the SAAFL have another death in the family with the Henley D-Grade their latest victim

ive been campaigning all along putting AGrade vs CGrades in the same division is a virus to the leagues participation rates and once again we "may" have another loss

Division 7 needs every chance to fill agraders "only" and salisbury west must be put in Div 7 to steer clear of fielding yet another cgrader in amoungst agraders

You wouldn't say there was anything in the fact that Henley have been advertising for a new C Grade/D Grade Coach to well into February would indicate that they didn't have the organisation to put 4 teams together?

[Q.]

Exactly what I said before finn. Why not put SW in with us?

Because why should D7 be where one team clubs have their year of grace?

[jo172]

Also, it's not like moving back to the C Grades is necessarily fatal. Smithfield, North Pines and West Croydon have all bounced back quite successfully.

[marbles]

Exactly what I said before finn. Why not put SW in with us?

well if what FC claims is true, the SAAFL have another death in the family with the Henley D-Grade their latest victim

ive been campaigning all along putting AGrade vs CGrades in the same division is a virus to the leagues participation rates and once again we "may" have another loss

Division 7 needs every chance to fill agraders "only" and salisbury west must be put in Div 7 to steer clear of fielding yet another cgrader in amoungst agraders

You wouldn't say there was anything in the fact that Henley have been advertising for a new C Grade/D Grade Coach to well into February would indicate that they didn't have the organisation to put 4 teams together?

of course mate, we've had a dgrade for 30 years and its in our best interests to field it for a 31st year and considering also that theyre back to back premiers

but considering the SAAFL keeping using CGraders to keep their bottom placed Agrade clubs alive in div 7, they consequently see a falling participation rate where CGraders cant be f##ked playing AGraders and as youve seen in the last 1.5 years the league has lost dgrade sides from

Broadview
TTG
Sacred Heart
Flinders Park
Salisbury (didnt face agraders)
and now possibly henley

the SAAFL structure must be changed cos its pushing players away and in business when customers are walking away, youve got a problem

[jo172]

but considering the SAAFL keeping using CGraders to keep their bottom placed Agrade clubs alive in div 7, they consequently see a falling participation rate where CGraders cant be f##ked playing AGraders and as youve seen in the last 1.5 years the league has lost dgrade sides from

Broadview
TTG
Sacred Heart
Flinders Park
Salisbury (didnt face agraders)
and now possibly henley

the SAAFL structure must be changed cos its pushing players away and in business when customers are walking away, youve got a problem

That would make sense, except for:

ROCS
TTG
PNU
PACOC (up to a 5th and 6th side)
Hope Valley
Old Ignatians
Unley

all expanding sides in the past 12 months.

[Q.]

And a lot of clubs' D-grade come and go over the years. I remember playing Gaza in D7 a decade ago.

[the milky bar kid]

of course mate, we've had a dgrade for 30 years and its in our best interests to field it for a 31st year and considering also that theyre back to back premiers

but considering the SAAFL keeping using CGraders to keep their bottom placed Agrade clubs alive in div 7, they consequently see a falling participation rate where CGraders cant be f##ked playing AGraders and as youve seen in the last 1.5 years the league has lost dgrade sides from

Broadview
TTG
Sacred Heart
Flinders Park
Salisbury (didnt face agraders)
and now possibly henley

the SAAFL structure must be changed cos its pushing players away and in business when customers are walking away, youve got a problem

Whilst I agree there is some merit behind a C grade only, the difference between a quality C grade & a lower grade A grade is usually going to be minimal & will result in an even competition. This was not a problem when your C grade sides were beating A grade sides in Grand Finals...


How many clubs have gone the other way & increased to a D grade over the last 2 years?

PAOC
PNU
ROC
TTG (extra team returned)
North Haven?
Old Ignations?
Hope Valley?

So how can you say that this is such a problem?

Most of Henley's problems, appears to be a combination of
1. Failing to stop B graders/Fringe A graders being lured away from the club
2. Not attracting enough new players to fill the void of those leaving
3. Weak minded individuals in the lower grades who aren't willing to go out & have a kick with their mates unless they are going to win

[the milky bar kid]

but considering the SAAFL keeping using CGraders to keep their bottom placed Agrade clubs alive in div 7, they consequently see a falling participation rate where CGraders cant be f##ked playing AGraders and as youve seen in the last 1.5 years the league has lost dgrade sides from

Broadview
TTG
Sacred Heart
Flinders Park
Salisbury (didnt face agraders)
and now possibly henley

the SAAFL structure must be changed cos its pushing players away and in business when customers are walking away, youve got a problem

That would make sense, except for:

ROCS
TTG
PNU
PACOC (up to a 5th and 6th side)
Hope Valley
Old Ignatians
Unley

all expanding sides in the past 12 months.

Ah, beat me too it! Great minds hey

[zedman]

of course mate, we've had a dgrade for 30 years and its in our best interests to field it for a 31st year and considering also that theyre back to back premiers

but considering the SAAFL keeping using CGraders to keep their bottom placed Agrade clubs alive in div 7, they consequently see a falling participation rate where CGraders cant be f##ked playing AGraders and as youve seen in the last 1.5 years the league has lost dgrade sides from

Broadview
TTG
Sacred Heart
Flinders Park
Salisbury (didnt face agraders)
and now possibly henley

the SAAFL structure must be changed cos its pushing players away and in business when customers are walking away, youve got a problem

Whilst I agree there is some merit behind a C grade only, the difference between a quality C grade & a lower grade A grade is usually going to be minimal & will result in an even competition. This was not a problem when your C grade sides were beating A grade sides in Grand Finals...


How many clubs have gone the other way & increased to a D grade over the last 2 years?

PAOC
PNU
ROC
TTG (extra team returned)
North Haven?
Old Ignations?
Hope Valley?

So how can you say that this is such a problem?

Most of Henley's problems, appears to be a combination of
1. Failing to stop B graders/Fringe A graders being lured away from the club
2. Not attracting enough new players to fill the void of those leaving
3. Weak minded individuals in the lower grades who aren't willing to go out & have a kick with their mates unless they are going to win

[Q.]

4. Henley's exorbitant subs

[marbles]

of course mate, we've had a dgrade for 30 years and its in our best interests to field it for a 31st year and considering also that theyre back to back premiers

but considering the SAAFL keeping using CGraders to keep their bottom placed Agrade clubs alive in div 7, they consequently see a falling participation rate where CGraders cant be f##ked playing AGraders and as youve seen in the last 1.5 years the league has lost dgrade sides from

Broadview
TTG
Sacred Heart
Flinders Park
Salisbury (didnt face agraders)
and now possibly henley

the SAAFL structure must be changed cos its pushing players away and in business when customers are walking away, youve got a problem

Whilst I agree there is some merit behind a C grade only, the difference between a quality C grade & a lower grade A grade is usually going to be minimal & will result in an even competition. This was not a problem when your C grade sides were beating A grade sides in Grand Finals...


How many clubs have gone the other way & increased to a D grade over the last 2 years?

PAOC
PNU
ROC
TTG (extra team returned)
North Haven?
Old Ignations?
Hope Valley?

So how can you say that this is such a problem?

Most of Henley's problems, appears to be a combination of
1. Failing to stop B graders/Fringe A graders being lured away from the club
2. Not attracting enough new players to fill the void of those leaving
3. Weak minded individuals in the lower grades who aren't willing to go out & have a kick with their mates unless they are going to win

cannot fault you on anything youve said, of course theres internal issues to blame as well

none of the new clubs youve mentioned with new dgrade sides are yet to face an agrade unit in div 7, theyre are all division 8 teams having glorious wonderful times on equal playing fields, their men havent been infected with the AGrade vs CGrade virus

[jo172]

cannot fault you on anything youve said, of course theres internal issues to blame as well

none of the new clubs youve mentioned with new dgrade sides are yet to face an agrade unit in div 7, theyre are all division 8 teams having glorious wonderful times on equal playing fields, their men havent been infected with the AGrade vs CGrade virus

Correlation =/= Causation

[Q.]

And yet it's D grades that dominate over B grades in D7R.

[S Demon]

none of the new clubs youve mentioned with new dgrade sides are yet to face an agrade unit in div 7, theyre are all division 8 teams having glorious wonderful times on equal playing fields, their men havent been infected with the AGrade vs CGrade virus

It felt like A grade v C Gradewhen we played GG ands PAOC

We've had quite a few players over the years from our B/C grade go to Houghton and play A grade in Div 7. Just because they are playing A grade, doesn't necessarily make them A graders. That is where your argument is flawed IMO

[marbles]

none of the new clubs youve mentioned with new dgrade sides are yet to face an agrade unit in div 7, theyre are all division 8 teams having glorious wonderful times on equal playing fields, their men havent been infected with the AGrade vs CGrade virus

It felt like A grade v C Gradewhen we played GG ands PAOC

We've had quite a few players over the years from our B/C grade go to Houghton and play A grade in Div 7. Just because they are playing A grade, doesn't necessarily make them A graders. That is where your argument is flawed IMO

dude

# Smithfield AGrade (Paid footballers) vs Henley CGrade
# Ingle Farm AGrade (Paid footballers) vs Henley CGrade
# Houghton AGrade (Paid footballers) vs Henley CGrade

you cant see an inequality there?

now i played a lot of Div 1 Agrade in my 20s, but now as a 35 year old CGrader you really think me and my fellow mates can be f##ked facing paid semi-professional footballers?

[zedman]

4. Henley's exorbitant subs

i was recently told the following information..if you want to play C grade at henley its $120 up front then $20 per game..if you play 18 games its approximately $480 in subs?

[morell]

Exactly what I said before finn. Why not put SW in with us?

Because why should D7 be where one team clubs have their year of grace?

because it's the lowest A Grade division.

[jo172]

none of the new clubs youve mentioned with new dgrade sides are yet to face an agrade unit in div 7, theyre are all division 8 teams having glorious wonderful times on equal playing fields, their men havent been infected with the AGrade vs CGrade virus

It felt like A grade v C Gradewhen we played GG ands PAOC

We've had quite a few players over the years from our B/C grade go to Houghton and play A grade in Div 7. Just because they are playing A grade, doesn't necessarily make them A graders. That is where your argument is flawed IMO

I'm a bit surprised PAC didn't nominate for Div 7 with the depth of their D and E Grades considered. Particularly when from all reports they're fielding a 6th side this year.

It's obviously their prerogative, but I would have thought they could have dealt with the standard quite successfully