The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

[Dogwatcher]

Remember the $1 Days at the Sheffield Shield?
That was a clear realisation from SACA that the attraction of Shield cricket was rooted as an 'attraction'.
Dollar Days boosted the crowds on Sundays for a while, but then the interest drifted off and the Shield was devalued.
It was only a temporary solution.

[tipper]

I was thinking something similar Hazy.
Why not make one round free entry, and see what the results are.

i dont disagree in the slightest, however dont make the trial weekend in the middle of a wet june/july weekend, and then claim it didnt work as the crowds didnt increase (the cynic in me thinks that is exactly how it will go if it does at all.)

[amber_fluid]

I was thinking something similar Hazy.
Why not make one round free entry, and see what the results are.

i dont disagree in the slightest, however dont make the trial weekend in the middle of a wet june/july weekend, and then claim it didnt work as the crowds didnt increase (the cynic in me thinks that is exactly how it will go if it does at all.)

Yeah it has to be early on in the season when interest is high.
Make it rounds 1-4 when the weather is good and interest is high.

[amber_fluid]

Remember the $1 Days at the Sheffield Shield?
That was a clear realisation from SACA that the attraction of Shield cricket was rooted as an 'attraction'.
Dollar Days boosted the crowds on Sundays for a while, but then the interest drifted off and the Shield was devalued.
It was only a temporary solution.

I went to a couple of those $1 days and they were great.
The SACA left it too late though to implement this and interest in the SS had already waned by then.

That's why the SANFL need to act now and do something similar.

[goddy11]

So where do you think clubs will make money from? Why would you buy a membership if coming into the ground was minimal to nil? Don't say bars and canteen sales. Crows and Port members get in for nothing as part of their package and still they don't come or they don't even seem to pass on there tickets for others to use.

[Hazydog]

Why not bar and canteen sales? Gate revenue from 900 strong crowds wont sustain clubs.

Who goes anywhere nowadays without having food and drink?

Get plenty through the gates and set reasonable prices at the bar.

And while I'm at it - Maybe set up a cordoned off area of the ground where you can pay a nominated entry fee and BYO! Northern mound at Elizabeth behind the goals and Groggies area at Prospect will hold up their hands to trial the exercise!!

Ok - I'm getting carried away. But head in the sand attitudes re change will almost certainly speed up the demise of the comp we love.

[Magellan]

head in the sand attitudes re change will almost certainly speed up the demise of the comp we love.

Agreed. But individual clubs undertake such significant shifts by themselves. It has to come from the top, and sadly I just can't see the SANFL giving enough of a shit to care.

[therisingblues]

So where do you think clubs will make money from? Why would you buy a membership if coming into the ground was minimal to nil? Don't say bars and canteen sales. Crows and Port members get in for nothing as part of their package and still they don't come or they don't even seem to pass on there tickets for others to use.

Crows and Port fans don't attend SANFL because they are basically not interested.
I used to buy memberships when I lived in Japan with no hope of attending a game, I used to buy them for my wife also, and she had absolutely no idea about footy. I'll concede that there would be a small number of people who become members because it includes tickets to games, but that would not be many. Most would continue regardless.

[therisingblues]

head in the sand attitudes re change will almost certainly speed up the demise of the comp we love.

Agreed. But individual clubs undertake such significant shifts by themselves. It has to come from the top, and sadly I just can't see the SANFL giving enough of a shit to care.

How much of a shit does one need to give to show that one cares, exactly?

[Hazydog]

head in the sand attitudes re change will almost certainly speed up the demise of the comp we love.

Agreed. But individual clubs undertake such significant shifts by themselves. It has to come from the top, and sadly I just can't see the SANFL giving enough of a shit to care.

Can't argue with that Mag. It needs all clubs to unite in order to put enough pressure on the decision makers and sadly that seems to have been difficult to achieve historically.

Someone mentioned Shield cricket earlier in the thread. Imagine attending a Shield match 10 years ago and having someone tell you a different format of the game would be pulling in 40K crowds in 5 years time!!

Radical change required.

[Magellan]

head in the sand attitudes re change will almost certainly speed up the demise of the comp we love.

Agreed. But individual clubs undertake such significant shifts by themselves. It has to come from the top, and sadly I just can't see the SANFL giving enough of a shit to care.

How much of a shit does one need to give to show that one cares, exactly?

Hard to say, but it'd have to be more than the length of the stool left on Andrew Jarman's desk a decade or so ago.

[Mic]

Maybe a "Free Fortnight" could be held early next season. That would give each club a free game to host at their home ground. Club memberships that include season passes could be dropped $10-&15 in price as the pass would be irrelevant for the 2 rounds. The SANFL and its 8 clubs should promote it big-time, pushing the concept that it's a chance for football fans to either be introduced or reminded how good a day at a game of SANFL footy can be.

[PhilH]

Everywhere you look, state leagues and their once powerhouse clubs struggling

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/port-melbourne-vfl-seniors-reserves-to-play-seasonopener-for-free/news-story/4920fc3cea7554d142dbfd06f87d6841

Whilst all hell is breaking out in the west

https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/100m-stadium-deal-falls-over-ng-b88378740z

http://www.watoday.com.au/sport/wa-sport/wafl-mergers-commissions-explosive-report-to-rattle-traditional-clubs-20170207-gu7yec.html

[whufc]

State league football will be dead in 5 years

[Ian]

The other State Leagues died earlier than the SANFL, Cows and Powa ressies was the final nail here

[Hazydog]

State league football will be dead in 5 years

But on a brighter note the Women's comp is going gangbusters!

[MW]

State league football will be dead in 5 years

But on a brighter note the Women's comp is going gangbusters!

The SANFL womens league?

[therisingblues]

The other State Leagues died earlier than the SANFL, Cows and Powa ressies was the final nail here

Spot on Ian.
The SANFL and its clubs were resistant to the idea and held out longer than the other leagues, hence were relatively healthy before their introduction. When the idea was first mooted for the SANFL, many pointed to the experiences suffered by those exact same leagues, warning the same consequences would be experienced here. Roundly we were offered promises that never materialised, and to stop moaning about something that hasn't happened yet, give it a go, what could go wrong etc. Now that we are suffering those consequences, it is incomprehensible that we are now being told to "move on", "stop moaning" etc.
Basically, the AFL sides now have what they want, so stuff the rest of us, because they are alright.

[MW]

If the evidence was so clear that AFL reserves sides have killed other local comps, why would the SANFL agree to it? Effectively signing a death warrant no?

[Wedgie]

If the evidence was so clear that AFL reserves sides have killed other local comps, why would the SANFL agree to it? Effectively signing a death warrant no?

Ignorance, corruption or a conflict of interest.