Ashes 2023

[whufc]

No Cummins is right Warner did bat well at Lords, he is one of the reason why we won that test, two opening partnerships that lasted at least 20 overs.

He was poor at Leeds and OK at Edgebaston.

The question is who do you replace him with. The fact there was no tour game to see if Renshaw or Harris were viable options to replace his arguably what saved him.

Bottom line he has to step up this test and next or he isn’t getting his farewell test.

He is averaging 28 for the series he is not going really well.

What are Smith and Labuschagne averaging? ( It's 31 and 24 )

Yep and we all agree they have been poor, not going "really well'

Which proves the point further. Smith and Laba are widely accepted as having a poor series. The fact that David average 28 is considered him going really well shows how far the bloke has fallen and how low the standard has dropped. Or he is purely undroppable for some info he may have.

[shoe boy]

We are 2 ONE up in the series.
The tests are in the poms backyard.
They have won the toss every test.
Time to put the foot on the throat and finish the poms and more so there peasant supporters who bow to the King.
Personally love the idea of Marsh and Green but wonder what would happen if Lyon was fit.

[am Bays]

Who’s saying Warner is going really well? You’re the only one who has associated those words with Warner, Whuffer.

He’s had one good test, an OK one and a poor one. All on the background of one good innings in the last 18 months

The issue is who do you replace him with?

Do you bat Marsh at “2” as he’s in “form” something he hasn’t done in red ball cricket on a more than likely over cast conditions against Broad and Anderson? Green was never an option as he has less runs than Warner this series.

Do you bring in Renshaw or Harris who haven’t had a proper bat since early June?

The reality is this was the best of a bad option

England need 20 wickets this test to stay alive with dodgy a weather forecast set for days one (early), four and five. We need to bat deep to put the pressure on them to push the Baz ball tactics as that is how we won the 1st an 2nd test by denying them time in the game and fatiguing their bowlers.

Warner and Labaschagne need to step up in the next two test or one of them quite rightly is gone (he ******* better be) and other one will be batting for his Test career at Perth.

The biggest failing like it has been CA and their management of this test team since 2017. To not have a tour game between these two test is our biggest mistake.

[Spargo]

We are 2 zip up in the series.
The tests are in the poms backyard.
They have won the toss every test.
Time to put the foot on the throat and finish the poms and more so there peasant supporters who bow to the King.
Personally love the idea of Marsh and Green but wonder what would happen if Lyon was fit.

2-1

[Corona Man]

My question is this.

So what if we loose this test, Warner fails in both innings (again). What do we do at the Oval keep Warner, or bring in another opening bat with the Ashes on the line?

[Spargo]

The definition of insanity - doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

[whufc]

Who’s saying Warner is going really well? You’re the only one who has associated those words with Warner, Whuffer.

He’s had one good test, an OK one and a poor one. All on the background of one good innings in the last 18 months

The issue is who do you replace him with?

Do you bat Marsh at “2” as he’s in “form” something he hasn’t done in red ball cricket on a more than likely over cast conditions against Broad and Anderson? Green was never an option as he has less runs than Warner this series.

Do you bring in Renshaw or Harris who haven’t had a proper bat since early June?

The reality is this was the best of a bad option

England need 20 wickets this test to stay alive with dodgy a weather forecast set for days one (early), four and five. We need to bat deep to put the pressure on them to push the Baz ball tactics as that is how we won the 1st an 2nd test by denying them time in the game and fatiguing their bowlers.

Warner and Labaschagne need to step up in the next two test or one of them quite rightly is gone (he ******* better be) and other one will be batting for his Test career at Perth.

The biggest failing like it has been CA and their management of this test team since 2017. To not have a tour game between these two test is our biggest mistake.

Did you not read the direct quote from Pat Cummins that said the exact words "he is going really well"

[MW]

I actually dont mind keeping Warner in. I feel he just needs to get through the first couple of overs with Broad and it's the difference between a single digit score or 50+ with Warner.

One things for sure, we need to get Marnus away from the brand new ball.

[am Bays]

My question is this.

So what if we loose this test, Warner fails in both innings (again). What do we do at the Oval keep Warner, or bring in another opening bat with the Ashes on the line?

Good question

He’ll probably play but we lose that he should be metaphorically dropped North Korean Execution style….

[stampy]

what we need to do is stop bowling short at the bloody tail,
cost us a 3-0 lead ffs.....

[amber_fluid]

I actually dont mind keeping Warner in. I feel he just needs to get through the first couple of overs with Broad and it's the difference between a single digit score or 50+ with Warner.

One things for sure, we need to get Marnus away from the brand new ball.

Getting through the first couple of overs is the problem though!

Turf him before it costs us the Ashes.
If he fails and we lose the 4th test then he’s gone.

Open with Carey or Marnus in the 5th test and re-evaluate who opens next when they get home.

[am Bays]

Did you not read the direct quote from Pat Cummins that said the exact words "he is going really well"

Yeah, true that. Fair play.

As Manager do you publically praise your staff but “criticise” privately?

Not much of an option for Cummins really.

“Yeah we didn’t have much of an option so we’ve gone with Davey, he’s got two test matches to save his career” is that what Cummins should have said?

[whufc]

Did you not read the direct quote from Pat Cummins that said the exact words "he is going really well"

Yeah, true that. Fair play.

As Manager do you publically praise your staff but “criticise” privately?

Not much of an option for Cummins really.

“Yeah we didn’t have much of an option so we’ve gone with Davey, he’s got two test matches to save his career” is that what Cummins should have said?

Understanding the need for PA but treating fans like idiots by saying he is going 'really well' is embarrassing.

Surely a 'David isn't hitting as many runs as we would like, he can score big though and we still believe he's the best man for the job' would of been suffice and at least somewhat true.

I dont know....nothing CA, DW or even PC have said/done over the last summer changes my mind Davey is on a free ride due to what he knows about sandpaper gate.

[Corona Man]

My question is this.

So what if we loose this test, Warner fails in both innings (again). What do we do at the Oval keep Warner, or bring in another opening bat with the Ashes on the line?

Good question

He’ll probably play but we lose that he should be metaphorically dropped North Korean Execution style….

Sadly the bloke should have been "moved on" 2 seasons ago. Particularly if Pukovski was able to stop head butting cricket balls.

Essentially time put into our next opening bat, whoever that may be, so we are not in a situation of losing both Warner & Khawaja in the same summer.

Lack of a plan here big time.

[am Bays]

Or fans having the insight to know that anything said in a presser is basically fornicating bovine excretement

[am Bays]

My question is this.

So what if we loose this test, Warner fails in both innings (again). What do we do at the Oval keep Warner, or bring in another opening bat with the Ashes on the line?

Good question

He’ll probably play but we lose that he should be metaphorically dropped North Korean Execution style….

Sadly the bloke should have been "moved on" 2 seasons ago. Particularly if Pukovski was able to stop head butting cricket balls.

Essentially time put into our next opening bat, whoever that may be, so we are not in a situation of losing both Warner & Khawaja in the same summer.

Lack of a plan here big time.

Agree people have a go at the test team the biggest failings since 2017 have been CA.

The culture and decisions regarding the men’s program have been pathetic (4-0 mocking of England after 2017-18 series, sandpaper gate, they way JL was treated, allowing the chief selector to be chief of throw downs), reeks of arrogance.

[mal]

I think not playing Murphy is a mistake
In the 3rd test when Stokes made 80 in the first dig , he was dropped twice of Murphys bowling, before Todd got his wicket
Murphy finished with 1/36 off 7 overs and probably bowled about 30 balls at Stokes ?
So he unofficially got Stokes out 3 times in about 5 overs?

[Armchair expert]

Green is a big in

averaging less than Warner and bowling 2nd worse average to Boland

[Down the Hill]

But worth runs and wickets with his work in the gully. Time for Marnus to open beyond Warner. We did it successfully with Langer, Watson, Katich & Ussie because the opener cupboard was bare at shield level. Marnus may be coming to the wicket early but he's faced 157, 80, 84 & 102 balls in his last 4 digs so the new ball isn't really the issue. And he's regularly faced that many balls in the 21 innings since his last 100. Green still struggling with the tempo he needs to bat at test level. But he's not alone with that issue coming in at 5/6. S.Waugh and Head also took some time to work out what works best for them. Green has made big runs batting at 4 for WA since moving up the order and seems to have the technique. Regardless of what we do in the next 2 tests we have a fairly soft test summer coming up and a chance to re-work the batting order. My top 7 would be.

Ussie
Marnus
Green
Smith
Head
Marsh (until injured) / Hardie
Carey

And 2 of Green/Marsh/Hardie will help extend the careers of the 3 main quicks.

[Brodlach]

Green is a big in

averaging less than Warner and bowling 2nd worse average to Boland

But saves a 100 with his catching