The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

[dedja]

I'm not really the most knowledgeable on the topic but surely once Port tick the box of getting out of the SANFL the next serious task will be to have the SMA and the SANFL removed from the AO contract.

If you want to kill the SANFL, go right ahead, as this is the major revenue stream for the SANFL (and SACA).

Port wouldnt care about that would they???

Havent they already cried on a couple of occasions about the SMA and the deal they have there.

It’s got nothing to do with Port or the Crows.

The SMA was created by the State Government to guarantee the SANFL and SACA a long term revenue stream. Port and the Crows can scream all they like about the deals they get there.

[Jimmy_041]

Norwood would be more at home in the women’s league.

One premiership and you're suddenly all gobby

Then you steal Curran off us

But........you're right.................

[dedja]

Norwood would be more at home in the women’s league.

One premiership and you're suddenly all gobby

Then you steal Curran off us

But........you're right.................

C’mon, Bass’s game plan gave you 3 flags, and Rawlings fluked another, so can’t be that bad.

[topshelf]

Obviously won't be completely smooth sailing but cancers out = fantastic opportunity for the SANFL.

They now have a fantastic marketing opportunity.

What changes are you making, just some suggestions not all logistically do-able:

-8 teams, top 4, 3 week finals series, I'm keeping finals at AO. Probably going with 21 game season playing each team 3 times....probably have preferred less games however.

-Grand Final to move back to the October long weekend Sunday. Could even be a Saturday hey??

-Lower the entrance price. I understand this has a flow on effect with memberships prices etc but i think it has to happen.

-Me personally i am opening the season with a gather round style day at AO. Free entry for all, carnival atmosphere, lots and lots for the kids to do, including meet and greet with players etc. Make it as interactive as possible. Surely if we can have a kick to kick on AO after a game we could get permission to let supporters onto AO for the quarter time huddles etc. Clubs to have membership marquees on the day etc.

-Every club must play one home game in their country zone.

-Could there be the potential to have u/16's , u/18's, reserves, league play at the same ground on the same day. More chance these families, players, friends etc will come and then stay on to watch other games. Yes the ovals will get smashed on the day but they will also get weekends with no footy on them.

-Crazier idea but could the SANFL offer a bonus premiership point for teams who score over 100pts in a game. Incentivize attacking football, keep games interesting to the final siren. If you are playing. Would also push the clubs to make sure their grounds don't end up as bog heaps.

-Another crazy idea and somewhat stolen from the AFL/NFL, but would you have a mid-season trade period. That way you might stop fringe reserve blokes who leave in June to country teams as they could get another SANFL crack. Would get some media exposure as well you would imagine.

Anyway just thoughts as i sit in a lecture style zoom meeting.

Think having a carnival style weekend on Adelaide Oval would be a great idea, four games on the same day. Not sure about 21 game season, maybe a 14 game season but have a night pre season comp played out over the first three weeks with that carnival weekend being first up and the following games being played at Adelaide Oval as well. 17 games seems reasonable. Just a thought

[dedja]

For those that can't or won't move on, who have protested by not buying their club's membership this year, won't go to Port or Crows SANFL games, or for those that just need a place to sook.

Here you go.

Just taking a moment to reflect on the start of this thread on April 6, 2014.

[Jimmy_041]

Norwood would be more at home in the women’s league.

One premiership and you're suddenly all gobby

Then you steal Curran off us

But........you're right.................

C’mon, Bass’s game plan gave you 3 flags, and Rawlings fluked another, so can’t be that bad.

Yes to Bass but the other clubs have now worked out how to beat it

It wasn't Rawlings' game plan that won that one. Quite the opposite. Change or you're not here next year.
Then we win it so he goes back this year to try to prove his game plan does work

Buckley did the same (although he missed the premiership). They cant help themselves. Maximum hubris

[UK Fan]

Obviously won't be completely smooth sailing but cancers out = fantastic opportunity for the SANFL.

They now have a fantastic marketing opportunity.

What changes are you making, just some suggestions not all logistically do-able:

-8 teams, top 4, 3 week finals series, I'm keeping finals at AO. Probably going with 21 game season playing each team 3 times....probably have preferred less games however.

-Grand Final to move back to the October long weekend Sunday. Could even be a Saturday hey??

-Lower the entrance price. I understand this has a flow on effect with memberships prices etc but i think it has to happen.

-Me personally i am opening the season with a gather round style day at AO. Free entry for all, carnival atmosphere, lots and lots for the kids to do, including meet and greet with players etc. Make it as interactive as possible. Surely if we can have a kick to kick on AO after a game we could get permission to let supporters onto AO for the quarter time huddles etc. Clubs to have membership marquees on the day etc.

-Every club must play one home game in their country zone.

-Could there be the potential to have u/16's , u/18's, reserves, league play at the same ground on the same day. More chance these families, players, friends etc will come and then stay on to watch other games. Yes the ovals will get smashed on the day but they will also get weekends with no footy on them.

-Crazier idea but could the SANFL offer a bonus premiership point for teams who score over 100pts in a game. Incentivize attacking football, keep games interesting to the final siren. If you are playing. Would also push the clubs to make sure their grounds don't end up as bog heaps.

-Another crazy idea and somewhat stolen from the AFL/NFL, but would you have a mid-season trade period. That way you might stop fringe reserve blokes who leave in June to country teams as they could get another SANFL crack. Would get some media exposure as well you would imagine.

Anyway just thoughts as i sit in a lecture style zoom meeting.

Think having a carnival style weekend on Adelaide Oval would be a great idea, four games on the same day. Not sure about 21 game season, maybe a 14 game season but have a night pre season comp played out over the first three weeks with that carnival weekend being first up and the following games being played at Adelaide Oval as well. 17 games seems reasonable. Just a thought

Clubs will want more home games than what they get now not less.

14 wont do

[Dutchy]

In 2013 is was "critical" for the Crows and Port to have stand alone teams in the SANFL, we have always been their plaything, nothing more.

The comp since 2013 has been heavily compromised -

> Prioritising development over winning
> Players playing limited game time, even in finals
> Crows not having home games
> Top up players not up to SANFL league standard (remember when earning a league game was special?)
> Fixture needing to fit in with AFL requirements = reduced flexibility
> Injuries heavily impacting their performance

Now is the chance for the comp to be the genuine 2nd best comp in the land, decisions made from here will be critical, a real opportunity presents itself.

[dedja]

Norwood would be more at home in the women’s league.

One premiership and you're suddenly all gobby

Then you steal Curran off us

But........you're right.................

C’mon, Bass’s game plan gave you 3 flags, and Rawlings fluked another, so can’t be that bad.

Yes to Bass but the other clubs have now worked out how to beat it

It wasn't Rawlings' game plan that won that one. Quite the opposite. Change or you're not here next year.
Then we win it so he goes back this year to try to prove his game plan does work

Buckley did the same (although he missed the premiership). They cant help themselves. Maximum hubris

That was easier than shooting fish in a barrel.

Bass will be the head coach before the end of next season, let’s see if he’ll change anything from that ultra defensive game plan that, as you say, everyone worked out years ago.

Maybe I need to create a separate Norwood whinging thread.

[whufc]

Obviously won't be completely smooth sailing but cancers out = fantastic opportunity for the SANFL.

They now have a fantastic marketing opportunity.

What changes are you making, just some suggestions not all logistically do-able:

-8 teams, top 4, 3 week finals series, I'm keeping finals at AO. Probably going with 21 game season playing each team 3 times....probably have preferred less games however.

-Grand Final to move back to the October long weekend Sunday. Could even be a Saturday hey??

-Lower the entrance price. I understand this has a flow on effect with memberships prices etc but i think it has to happen.

-Me personally i am opening the season with a gather round style day at AO. Free entry for all, carnival atmosphere, lots and lots for the kids to do, including meet and greet with players etc. Make it as interactive as possible. Surely if we can have a kick to kick on AO after a game we could get permission to let supporters onto AO for the quarter time huddles etc. Clubs to have membership marquees on the day etc.

-Every club must play one home game in their country zone.

-Could there be the potential to have u/16's , u/18's, reserves, league play at the same ground on the same day. More chance these families, players, friends etc will come and then stay on to watch other games. Yes the ovals will get smashed on the day but they will also get weekends with no footy on them.

-Crazier idea but could the SANFL offer a bonus premiership point for teams who score over 100pts in a game. Incentivize attacking football, keep games interesting to the final siren. If you are playing. Would also push the clubs to make sure their grounds don't end up as bog heaps.

-Another crazy idea and somewhat stolen from the AFL/NFL, but would you have a mid-season trade period. That way you might stop fringe reserve blokes who leave in June to country teams as they could get another SANFL crack. Would get some media exposure as well you would imagine.

Anyway just thoughts as i sit in a lecture style zoom meeting.

Think having a carnival style weekend on Adelaide Oval would be a great idea, four games on the same day. Not sure about 21 game season, maybe a 14 game season but have a night pre season comp played out over the first three weeks with that carnival weekend being first up and the following games being played at Adelaide Oval as well. 17 games seems reasonable. Just a thought

I love the concept of having teams play each other equal amount of times so its a balanced fixture. That would require 14 games (which imo is too short and maybe detrimental to players leaving to country leagues vs 21 games which is probably a bit too long. The only option maybe to do what the AFL does and have 3 triple ups for a 17 game season which is about right.

Maybe the 'fairest' way it could it work is that your 3 triple up games are either against the other bottom 3 teams if you finished in the bottom four of the ladder last season or the three other top 4 teams if you made finals.

[hollywood7477]

you lot are a little strange...
For how many years you are pushing Port and Crows out of the SANFL
As soon as it looks like happening..."how will they afford it?" "SANFL have a binding contract for $400k per year" etc etc
which one do you want?

Both!!!!! We dont want them to get out of paying the $$$$$ they owe us

Pay US. so they owe you money do they.

[hollywood7477]

You are very narrow minded Wedgie... think outside your club mate.
It's already happening... the SANFL will be defunct 5 years after the AFL sides exit. Bookmark this.

Rather be narrow minded than clueless.
All the AFL clubs do is whinge, they don't bring anything positive to the SANFL.
It would be narrow minded to think the SANFL rely on them.

And all you do is whinge about the AFL clubs in the SANFL. You all wanted them out it looks like happening , stop sooking

[dedja]

Pay US. so they owe you money do they.

I’m a simple man, I’d be happy for Port to pay back the $37m the SANFL ploughed into them to keep them afloat before cutting them loose. Only cost the SANFL Football Park and a bailout from the State Government in the form of the AO deal.

Either that or faark off.

[UK Fan]

you lot are a little strange...
For how many years you are pushing Port and Crows out of the SANFL
As soon as it looks like happening..."how will they afford it?" "SANFL have a binding contract for $400k per year" etc etc
which one do you want?

Both!!!!! We dont want them to get out of paying the $$$$$ they owe us

Pay US. so they owe you money do they.

Yep

Let me know if you need me to explain the article to you.



https://www.afl.com.au/news/99008/sa-cl ... e-than-18m

[amber_fluid]

Do we need to change the topic title shortly?

[dedja]

Do we need to change the topic title shortly?

The whinging will never stop.

[hollywood7477]

you lot are a little strange...
For how many years you are pushing Port and Crows out of the SANFL
As soon as it looks like happening..."how will they afford it?" "SANFL have a binding contract for $400k per year" etc etc
which one do you want?

Both!!!!! We dont want them to get out of paying the $$$$$ they owe us

Pay US. so they owe you money do they.

Yep

Let me know if you need me to explain the article to you.



https://www.afl.com.au/news/99008/sa-cl ... e-than-18m

So ur an SANFL club are you. they dont owe YOU 1c. you are just a nobody to Port and the Crows.

[RB]

They now have a fantastic marketing opportunity.

What changes are you making, just some suggestions not all logistically do-able:

-8 teams, top 4, 3 week finals series, I'm keeping finals at AO. Probably going with 21 game season playing each team 3 times....probably have preferred less games however.

-Grand Final to move back to the October long weekend Sunday. Could even be a Saturday hey??

-Lower the entrance price. I understand this has a flow on effect with memberships prices etc but i think it has to happen.

-Me personally i am opening the season with a gather round style day at AO. Free entry for all, carnival atmosphere, lots and lots for the kids to do, including meet and greet with players etc. Make it as interactive as possible. Surely if we can have a kick to kick on AO after a game we could get permission to let supporters onto AO for the quarter time huddles etc. Clubs to have membership marquees on the day etc.

-Every club must play one home game in their country zone.

-Could there be the potential to have u/16's , u/18's, reserves, league play at the same ground on the same day. More chance these families, players, friends etc will come and then stay on to watch other games. Yes the ovals will get smashed on the day but they will also get weekends with no footy on them.

-Crazier idea but could the SANFL offer a bonus premiership point for teams who score over 100pts in a game. Incentivize attacking football, keep games interesting to the final siren. If you are playing. Would also push the clubs to make sure their grounds don't end up as bog heaps.

-Another crazy idea and somewhat stolen from the AFL/NFL, but would you have a mid-season trade period. That way you might stop fringe reserve blokes who leave in June to country teams as they could get another SANFL crack. Would get some media exposure as well you would imagine.

Anyway just thoughts as i sit in a lecture style zoom meeting. [emoji38]

Think having a carnival style weekend on Adelaide Oval would be a great idea, four games on the same day. Not sure about 21 game season, maybe a 14 game season but have a night pre season comp played out over the first three weeks with that carnival weekend being first up and the following games being played at Adelaide Oval as well. 17 games seems reasonable. Just a thought

I love the concept of having teams play each other equal amount of times so its a balanced fixture. That would require 14 games (which imo is too short and maybe detrimental to players leaving to country leagues vs 21 games which is probably a bit too long. The only option maybe to do what the AFL does and have 3 triple ups for a 17 game season which is about right.

Maybe the 'fairest' way it could it work is that your 3 triple up games are either against the other bottom 3 teams if you finished in the bottom four of the ladder last season or the three other top 4 teams if you made finals.

Just have 21 games. Most SANFL seasons over the forty years or so before the cancers came in had 20-22 games per team. And clubs aren't going to want to lose home games.

10 home games, 10 away games, and the extra game will be country/Adelaide Oval, simple.

I liked most of your ideas BTW.

[mighty_tiger_79]

Would think it needs to be 21 game season
Home-away-neutral

[whufc]

Would think it needs to be 21 game season
Home-away-neutral

Would you play a game each year at a country ground?

How would you make that work.

Would you have 2 rounds (1 home game each team) that are specifically country rounds or would just stipulate to each club they must hold one home game at a country venue and then each club could decide which round/game that would be.