Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

[Booney]

Warning, train wreck below.

[Dogwatcher]

Heck, all of this debate could be futile.

[stan]

Cant $hitbag them when they break an election promise than $hitbag them when they keep one
As far as I remember, and Shorten certainly doesn't, he didn't win the election
So, we'll all sit around for another 2 1/2 years and get nowhere whilst the Canberra kids call each other names
BTW, don't forget the poodle is my local member. He wouldn't vote for SSM if his life depended upon it, but I would in a plebiscite

It's been like this for the past decade. Don't pretend it's just a Labor in opposition thing.
Abbott gave a masterclass in this form of politics.

Sadly, until both parties sort out their internal politics, this is what we're stuck it. Get some strong leaders, get parties who aren't fighting within their own forces and their own agendas.

Yep, spot on DW. We need some political leaders who are genuinely worthy of the title 'statesperson', or rather the parties need to develop and produce this type of leaders. In the last decade we've had a motley crew comprising a managerial bean-counter, a negotiator, a head-kicker and a loquacious toff.

The last statemen was Howard. Having seen anything that would be close to a statesman these days.

[Jimmy_041]

Cant $hitbag them when they break an election promise than $hitbag them when they keep one
As far as I remember, and Shorten certainly doesn't, he didn't win the election
So, we'll all sit around for another 2 1/2 years and get nowhere whilst the Canberra kids call each other names
BTW, don't forget the poodle is my local member. He wouldn't vote for SSM if his life depended upon it, but I would in a plebiscite

It's been like this for the past decade. Don't pretend it's just a Labor in opposition thing.
Abbott gave a masterclass in this form of politics.

Sadly, until both parties sort out their internal politics, this is what we're stuck it. Get some strong leaders, get parties who aren't fighting within their own forces and their own agendas.

Totally agree - both sides are the same.
I'm not pretending anything - just sick of it
These people get paid bucket loads to work and just fartarse around in self interest

[Rik E Boy]

Cant $hitbag them when they break an election promise than $hitbag them when they keep one
As far as I remember, and Shorten certainly doesn't, he didn't win the election
So, we'll all sit around for another 2 1/2 years and get nowhere whilst the Canberra kids call each other names
BTW, don't forget the poodle is my local member. He wouldn't vote for SSM if his life depended upon it, but I would in a plebiscite

It's been like this for the past decade. Don't pretend it's just a Labor in opposition thing.
Abbott gave a masterclass in this form of politics.

Sadly, until both parties sort out their internal politics, this is what we're stuck it. Get some strong leaders, get parties who aren't fighting within their own forces and their own agendas.

Yep, spot on DW. We need some political leaders who are genuinely worthy of the title 'statesperson', or rather the parties need to develop and produce this type of leaders. In the last decade we've had a motley crew comprising a managerial bean-counter, a negotiator, a head-kicker and a loquacious toff.

The last statemen was Howard. Having seen anything that would be close to a statesman these days.

Howard was a war criminal who fell hook, line and sinker for Bush's 'weapons of mass destruction' bullshit. Only Howard and Blair and some postage stamp nations sent troops to Gulf War II. It was a dead set oil grab which has destabilized a region and played a significant part in the rise of terrorism in that part of the world.

regards,

REB

[Magellan]

Just to confirm that in the last 40 years the political right in Australia has lurched much further to the right, and that the Liberals will use anything for political advantage, including the achievements of former Prime Ministers, Peter Dutton has criticized Malcolm Fraser's immigration policies of the late 1970s and 1980s as contributing to Australia's struggle with foreign fighters traveling to international conflict zones.

Of course, Fraser's a favorite target among the harder right elements of the Liberals because of the more conscientious and humanitarian approach he advanced in his later years.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politi ... ss2ad.html

[Q.]

Dutton is a grub

[Ronnie]

Just to confirm that in the last 40 years the political right in Australia has lurched much further to the right, and that the Liberals will use anything for political advantage, including the achievements of former Prime Ministers, Peter Dutton has criticized Malcolm Fraser's immigration policies of the late 1970s and 1980s as contributing to Australia's struggle with foreign fighters traveling to international conflict zones.

Of course, Fraser's a favorite target among the harder right elements of the Liberals because of the more conscientious and humanitarian approach he advanced in his later years.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politi ... ss2ad.html

Well, he does have a point when it comes to Fraser's handling of immigration controls during the early days of the Lebanese civil war. Decisions taken then to drop normal standards and admit large numbers of "quasi refugees" from Lebanon who were ill equipped for life here are now being played out on the streets of Western Sydney. Poor social outcomes come from poor policy. Ask any serving NSW Police Officer what's its like to police parts of Lakemba and Punchbowl these days.

[Magellan]

Just to confirm that in the last 40 years the political right in Australia has lurched much further to the right, and that the Liberals will use anything for political advantage, including the achievements of former Prime Ministers, Peter Dutton has criticized Malcolm Fraser's immigration policies of the late 1970s and 1980s as contributing to Australia's struggle with foreign fighters traveling to international conflict zones.

Of course, Fraser's a favorite target among the harder right elements of the Liberals because of the more conscientious and humanitarian approach he advanced in his later years.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politi ... ss2ad.html

Well, he does have a point when it comes to Fraser's handling of immigration controls during the early days of the Lebanese civil war. Decisions taken then to drop normal standards and admit large numbers of "quasi refugees" from Lebanon who were ill equipped for life here are now being played out on the streets of Western Sydney. Poor social outcomes come from poor policy. Ask any serving NSW Police Officer what's its like to police parts of Lakemba and Punchbowl these days.

Keep in mind Dutton's comments were about people going OS to flight in combat zones, not the challenges of maintaining a multi-cultural society in Australia.

Of course, 20-20 vision in hindsight. It's easy to pick the eyes out a policy decision 40 years after the event, seems like Dutton must've ran out of talking points, or couldn't find a lackey who was able to explain them in language even a Queensland cop could understand. He could've easily criticised Sir Robert Menzies for bringing in the Italians with all their questionable mafia and organised crime connections, and based on Dutton's logic that must've been a **** up of the same or even greater magnitude than migrants pissing off to fight overseas. But of course it's easier to sledge Fraser the lefty traitor, than Menzies the Liberal deity when it's a slow day in politics. How the Libs have ignored the legacy of Fraser's ascension to power in 1975, in their eyes he might as well be a former Labor prime minister.

[Ronnie]

Mal's political conversion was remarkable. Many on the left loathe him for toppling Gough. Many Liberals ended up loathing him for his constant sniping and criticism of any conservative cause in his latter years. He certainly held very different views after holding office than during. Didn't he end up campaigning for Sarah Hanson-Young? So I'd say he ended up parked with the Greens...

[Magellan]

Mal's political conversion was remarkable. Many on the left loathe him for toppling Gough. Many Liberals ended up loathing him for his constant sniping and criticism of any conservative cause in his latter years. He certainly held very different views after holding office than during. Didn't he end up campaigning for Sarah Hanson-Young? So I'd say he ended up parked with the Greens...

Don't forget the missing pants incident in Memphis in 1986.

I can recall seeing graffiti in the early 1980s (back when it was political, y'know, not a bunch of weird scrawl ) on a fence in reference to Malcolm Fraser, with 'Fraser' written with a swastika where the 'S' should've been. Imagine if the post-Dismissal haters of Fraser could've been transported 35 to 40 years into the future, their brains would've absolutely shit themselves on the spot with where the 'centre' of Australian politics has shifted to.

[Rik E Boy]

How long will it be before being Homeless becomes a criminal offence? And how much longer after that are we going to get privitised prisons? Once that happens the journey to the dark side will be complete.

regards,

Emperor Rupert.

[stan]

How long will it be before being Homeless becomes a criminal offence? And how much longer after that are we going to get privitised prisons? Once that happens the journey to the dark side will be complete.

regards,

Emperor Rupert.

Lord Emperor Rupert to you peasant.

[Magellan]

How long will it be before being Homeless becomes a criminal offence? And how much longer after that are we going to get privitised prisons? Once that happens the journey to the dark side will be complete.

regards,

Emperor Rupert.

Lord Emperor Rupert to you peasant.

Bloody peasant. Come and see the violence inherent in the system!

[shoe boy]

Dudd Dutton !!!
And to add he is self explanatory

[Dogwatcher]

How long will it be before being Homeless becomes a criminal offence? And how much longer after that are we going to get privitised prisons? Once that happens the journey to the dark side will be complete.

regards,

Emperor Rupert.

I was wondering about privatised jails this week and how far away they were in Australia.
You'd think our refugee detention centres are being viewed with interest by state governments.

[Booney]

How long will it be before being Homeless becomes a criminal offence? And how much longer after that are we going to get privitised prisons? Once that happens the journey to the dark side will be complete.

regards,

Emperor Rupert.

I was wondering about privatised jails this week and how far away they were in Australia.
You'd think our refugee detention centres are being viewed with interest by state governments.

Privatised jails will happen when private organisations build them. I fail to see a privately owned company taking over and running a state built, antiquated, facility.

[Jimmy_041]

How long will it be before being Homeless becomes a criminal offence? And how much longer after that are we going to get privitised prisons? Once that happens the journey to the dark side will be complete.

regards,

Emperor Rupert.

I was wondering about privatised jails this week and how far away they were in Australia.
You'd think our refugee detention centres are being viewed with interest by state governments.

Privatised jails will happen when private organisations build them. I fail to see a privately owned company taking over and running a state built, antiquated, facility.

I may be wrong but didn't Victoria privatise the running of a jail?

[Magellan]

How long will it be before being Homeless becomes a criminal offence? And how much longer after that are we going to get privitised prisons? Once that happens the journey to the dark side will be complete.

regards,

Emperor Rupert.

I was wondering about privatised jails this week and how far away they were in Australia.
You'd think our refugee detention centres are being viewed with interest by state governments.

Privatised jails will happen when private organisations build them. I fail to see a privately owned company taking over and running a state built, antiquated, facility.

The first hurdle is the power to declare and run a prison rests with the Governor and the relevant Minister respectively. I'd say the revocation or significant amendment to the Correctional Services Act to allow private companies to enter the prison system is a very big step, and for at least the short term one that the public and thus the government would not embrace. I think it would take a massive spike in crime activity to provide the social catalyst for governments to entertain the notion of private prisons.

In the US, their overall mistrust of government means that privatization is not such a dirty word, whereas over here I think Australians are a bit cagey about relinquishing control to private interests (notwithstanding that it's been done here with certain essential services), particularly when it's not an essential service and it involves matters that are deeply ingrained in the public interest, such as justice and punishment.

That said, it's not out of the realms of possibility that at some stage a smooth-talking Lyle Lanley character could breeze in with some slick materials and a catchy song and persuade an incumbent government (particularly a free market-small government liberal administration) that private jails would be a wise investment.

[Gozu]

They will privatise prisons eventually Howard privatised the unemployed and wasn't Christmas Island run by a mob that specialises in running prisons all around the world?

Next it will be the police, OCP here we come.

In some very unsurprising news One Nation is already falling apart two months after the election.

A tense encounter is expected on Wednesday between One Nation leader Pauline Hanson and her colleague Rodney Culleton after one of the pair failed to attend a planned crisis meeting on Tuesday night.

But in a further sign of the deteriorating relationship between the two One Nation senators, they cannot even agree on who failed to show up to last night's rendezvous.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/ ... svb8d.html