Australia Domestic Season 2017/18

[Jim05]

very poor performance by the Backers in this one

That’s one of the most disappointing losses we have had for awhile. To have Tassie 6/140 on the opening day and go on to lose by 142 runs just isn’t good enough.
Top of the order is a big concern, only 1 opening partnership of 50+ from 8 knocks and only once from our 8 innings have we reached 100 less than 2 down.

[amber_fluid]

Same shit, different day for the Redbacks!

[The Dark Knight]

Stumps day two
NSW vs Victoria
Vic first innings 9/562 declared
Maxwell 278
O'Keefe 3/128

NSW first innings 243
O'Keefe 50 not out
Holland 5/67

Victoria second innings 3/148 delcared
Harris 62 not out
Copeland 2/52

NSW second innings 2/46, trail by 421

WA v Queensland
WA first innings 414
Marsh 141
Wildermuth 3/69

Queensland first innings 424
Wildermuth 92
Mackin 3/106

WA second innings 5/144, tail by 135

[whufc]

Not that I think we should but if we play the token 'must have an allrounder' card I reckon Wildermuth is the man

[Aerie]

Dalton and Cooper out for Smith and Ross.

Carey and Head have also been poor with the bat this season, although hopefully this last match is a sign Head is getting in some form.

Only Ferguson has been consistent - Weatherald and Lehmann both with some outstanding games.

Hopefully Sayers back in for the next game if he doesn't get picked for the Adelaide Test (which you'd presume he doesn't).

[Jim05]

Lol Victoria. Lead by 320 at end of first innings and just over 4 sessions remaining but instead of enforcing the follow on they bat for 20 odd overs and set NSW 460. NSW lost a couple of quick ones last night and then batted today out for a tame draw

[The Dark Knight]

WA v Queensland, match drawn
WA second innings 8/306 declared
Turner 101 not out
Swepson 4/131

Queensland second innings 7/290
Burns 103
Kelly 5/60

Renshaw 18 and 7 for the match, Burns 81 and 103.

[Jim05]

WA v Queensland, match drawn
WA second innings 8/306 declared
Turner 101 not out
Swepson 4/131

Queensland second innings 7/290
Burns 103
Kelly 5/60

Renshaw 18 and 7 for the match, Burns 81 and 103.

Queensland needed 12 off the last over to win with 4 wickets in hands and couldn’t get it done

[Booney]

WA v Queensland, match drawn
WA second innings 8/306 declared
Turner 101 not out
Swepson 4/131

Queensland second innings 7/290
Burns 103
Kelly 5/60

Renshaw 18 and 7 for the match, Burns 81 and 103.

That really hurts his return chances. Bancroft makes 80 odd not and Renshaw doesn't apply any pressure whatsoever in return.

[The Dark Knight]

WA v Queensland, match drawn
WA second innings 8/306 declared
Turner 101 not out
Swepson 4/131

Queensland second innings 7/290
Burns 103
Kelly 5/60

Renshaw 18 and 7 for the match, Burns 81 and 103.

That really hurts his return chances. Bancroft makes 80 odd not and Renshaw doesn't apply any pressure whatsoever in return.

Just struggling for runs at the moment, looks like Bancroft will play all five test matches.

[am Bays]

That really hurts his return chances. Bancroft makes 80 odd not and Renshaw doesn't apply any pressure whatsoever in return.

Just struggling for runs at the moment, looks like Bancroft will play all five test matches.

Renshaw is having the start to 2017-18 that Bancroft had to 2016-17.

After making the Banga tour Bancroft couldn't make a run in a cheap of stockings at the start of last season (I'm sure he was thought of as the 1st cab off the rank if one of the openers didn't fire last season) Renshaw made the run that he didn't in October Nov so got the gig when the test side was re-designed.

Bancroft went away got his game in order then finished strong last last year in the Shield IIRC.

Renshaw needs to do the same in basically his 2nd full year of 1st class cricket. His technique has been challenged and they (opposition sides) have found his weakness. He needs to learn how to over come it and then fill his boots with runs over the next 12 months.

I have no doubt Renshaw will be our long term test opener over the next 12 months he just needs to get over the 2nd year blues and get his game sorted.

[The Dark Knight]

That really hurts his return chances. Bancroft makes 80 odd not and Renshaw doesn't apply any pressure whatsoever in return.

Just struggling for runs at the moment, looks like Bancroft will play all five test matches.

Renshaw is having the start to 2017-18 that Bancroft had to 2016-17.

After making the Banga tour Bancroft couldn't make a run in a cheap of stockings at the start of last season (I'm sure he was thought of as the 1st cab off the rank if one of the openers didn't fire last season) Renshaw made the run that he didn't in October Nov so got the gig when the test side was re-designed.

Bancroft went away got his game in order then finished strong last last year in the Shield IIRC.

Renshaw needs to do the same in basically his 2nd full year of 1st class cricket. His technique has been challenged and they (opposition sides) have found his weakness. He needs to learn how to over come it and then fill his boots with runs over the next 12 months.

I have no doubt Renshaw will be our long term test opener over the next 12 months he just needs to get over the 2nd year blues and get his game sorted.

If everything goes to plan I think Renshaw and Bancroft will be our future openers post Warner.

[jackpot jim]

That really hurts his return chances. Bancroft makes 80 odd not and Renshaw doesn't apply any pressure whatsoever in return.

Just struggling for runs at the moment, looks like Bancroft will play all five test matches.

Renshaw is having the start to 2017-18 that Bancroft had to 2016-17.

After making the Banga tour Bancroft couldn't make a run in a cheap of stockings at the start of last season (I'm sure he was thought of as the 1st cab off the rank if one of the openers didn't fire last season) Renshaw made the run that he didn't in October Nov so got the gig when the test side was re-designed.

Bancroft went away got his game in order then finished strong last last year in the Shield IIRC.

Renshaw needs to do the same in basically his 2nd full year of 1st class cricket. His technique has been challenged and they (opposition sides) have found his weakness. He needs to learn how to over come it and then fill his boots with runs over the next 12 months.

I have no doubt Renshaw will be our long term test opener over the next 12 months he just needs to get over the 2nd year blues and get his game sorted.

If everything goes to plan I think Renshaw and Bancroft will be our future openers post Warner.

Renshaw is SHIT

[am Bays]

Renshaw is SHIT

Is Renshaw 2017 as Shit as Smith was Shit in 2013 as some people on here claimed???

He's 21 with a reasonably solid technique (not perfect) with a good powers of concentration (sticks to his plan)

Now he has to develop his technique and batting plans to rotate the strike and over come the weakness opposition sides have developed after one year of looking at him. he's basically 1.5 years into a 1st class career, he's being found out ATM. The next 12 months will prove if he's like Smith, Ponting, Langer, S Waugh Martyn etc and can work out his way to combat the deficiencies in his technique and come back and make a ton of runs.

I'll always remember Ian Chappell saying over 40 years ago on cassette that development at each level takes about 4 years. 4 years at grade level (16-20), 4 years at Shield level (20-24), then 4 years at test level (24-28) where you learn to adopt both mentally and technically to the standard and develop the skills of an elite cricketer at that level.

it's why traditionally batsmen hit their peak at test level at about 28.

[Lightning McQueen]

Renshaw is SHIT

Is Renshaw 2017 as Shit as Smith was Shit in 2013 as some people on here claimed???

He's 21 with a reasonably solid technique (not perfect) with a good powers of concentration (sticks to his plan)

Now he has to develop his technique and batting plans to rotate the strike and over come the weakness opposition sides have developed after one year of looking at him. he's basically 1.5 years into a 1st class career, he's being found out ATM. The next 12 months will prove if he's like Smith, Ponting, Langer, S Waugh Martyn etc and can work out his way to combat the deficiencies in his technique and come back and make a ton of runs.

I'll always remember Ian Chappell saying over 40 years ago on cassette that development at each level takes about 4 years. 4 years at grade level (16-20), 4 years at Shield level (20-24), then 4 years at test level (24-28) where you learn to adopt both mentally and technically to the standard and develop the skills of an elite cricketer at that level.

it's why traditionally batsmen hit their peak at test level at about 28.

Probably back in Chappelli's day it was, we tend to introduce players to the test arena much later than other nations, it has been different of late but when we look at Voges and Rogers in more recent times, Mike Hussey & Darren Lehmann were scoring consistent runs before getting their call ups.

[am Bays]

Probably back in Chappelli's day it was, we tend to introduce players to the test arena much later than other nations, it has been different of late but when we look at Voges and Rogers in more recent times, Mike Hussey & Darren Lehmann were scoring consistent runs before getting their call ups.

100% agree, it has moved on from those days, however, IMO, the principle remains the same. You need to give players time to work out their game.

Someone is exposed to a higher level of cricket/any sport, they get found out initially (some thrive early then get found out) and the good players (non-shit ones ) work out ways to overcome their deficiencies and become the regular performers at that level.

The those that are sh!t well they fade away arguably never to heard of again or very rarely.

My basic point is I'm not prepared to call Renshaw shite just yet - in two to three years if he's struggling maybe then I will.

[bennymacca]

Probably back in Chappelli's day it was, we tend to introduce players to the test arena much later than other nations, it has been different of late but when we look at Voges and Rogers in more recent times, Mike Hussey & Darren Lehmann were scoring consistent runs before getting their call ups.

100% agree, it has moved on from those days, however, IMO, the principle remains the same. You need to give players time to work out their game.

Someone is exposed to a higher level of cricket/any sport, they get found out initially (some thrive early then get found out) and the good players (non-shit ones ) work out ways to overcome their deficiencies and become the regular performers at that level.

The those that are sh!t well they fade away arguably never to heard of again or very rarely.

My basic point is I'm not prepared to call Renshaw shite just yet - in two to three years if he's struggling maybe then I will.

And as we’ve seen with marsh, sometimes it takes 9 recalls to the test side before you make some runs [emoji6]

[The Bedge]

I like Renshaw, but unless he can reverse form quickly, he will end up on the scrap heap.

CA love attacking batsman, they love players who have intent to score and can accelerate when needed. Renshaw can not. He will be overtaken in the pecking order my players who do i.e. Weatherald

[Lightning McQueen]

I like Renshaw, but unless he can reverse form quickly, he will end up on the scrap heap.

CA love attacking batsman, they love players who have intent to score and can accelerate when needed. Renshaw can not. He will be overtaken in the pecking order my players who do i.e. Weatherald

I wonder if Burns has re-emerged on the pecking order?

What would be the pecking order for openers ATM?

Warner
Bancroft
Renshaw
Weatherald
Doolan

[MatteeG]

I like Renshaw, but unless he can reverse form quickly, he will end up on the scrap heap.

CA love attacking batsman, they love players who have intent to score and can accelerate when needed. Renshaw can not. He will be overtaken in the pecking order my players who do i.e. Weatherald

I wonder if Burns has re-emerged on the pecking order?

What would be the pecking order for openers ATM?

Warner
Bancroft
Renshaw
Weatherald
Doolan

Weathers would certainly be worth looking at in a limited over format initially.