2017 Grand Final : Adelaide v Richmond

[am Bays]

"Sides", look good on paper, are a collection of individuals, sides win minor round games, good sides win some finals.

Sides are when the sum of the parts are less than the whole

Teams are all the above but more.

Teams have that un-quantifiable characteristic of sacrifice, unity, selflessness and discipline.

Teams win grand finals, Teams are where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.

Trust me, as a Bays supporter I've seen plenty of good sides but only two good teams

[Lightning McQueen]

Who won the sprint?

[amber_fluid]

I can't stand this f*ckwit!
How he has remained employed all these years is beyond me.

Whilst I feel for the majority of crows supporters, It's morons like him that give us non crows supporters great delight in seeing them lose.

[Magellan]

"Sides" don't win premeirships, "Teams" do

Lol. It's a synonym.

On hot doughnuts it's the bomb. Had some from the kiosk in Port Vincent after the footy on Saturday while I was squiding with some Paleys.

Mmm Mmmm

I either don't get this joke or it's in the wrong thread

I love synonym donuts, me. Beignets in the New Orleans French Quarter and zeppole in Italy, for example, are absolutely wonderful!

[Booney]

Who won the sprint?

Conor Menadue, Richmond FC.

[cracka]

I'd be potting the coaching staff. They were happy to let Jacobs go up on his lonesome and win tap after tap only to be hitting down to a midfield outnumbered by at least 1 and sometimes 2 Richmond mids, often one on the defensive side of the contest who was there as a backstop if Adelaide won the ball or to break forward when Richmond did. That was structural > coaches.

For the players they took the easy down the line option too often and weren't prepared to take the risk to centre the ball or play on. All of this though was forced by Richmond's pressure on the ball carrier when in play and then choking space up the field when Adelaide players were kicking over the mark.

Agree we were outcoached. I wonder if Hardwicks tactic will change the way rucks are looked at. Would like to know how many times Richmond didn't have a ruckman compete at boundary throw ins but had the extra just read Jacobs taps. Then having Grigg compete at centre bounces, again they lost the tap but won the clearance. Ruckman may get smaller & be more mobile.

[mots02]

I'd be potting the coaching staff. They were happy to let Jacobs go up on his lonesome and win tap after tap only to be hitting down to a midfield outnumbered by at least 1 and sometimes 2 Richmond mids, often one on the defensive side of the contest who was there as a backstop if Adelaide won the ball or to break forward when Richmond did. That was structural > coaches.

For the players they took the easy down the line option too often and weren't prepared to take the risk to centre the ball or play on. All of this though was forced by Richmond's pressure on the ball carrier when in play and then choking space up the field when Adelaide players were kicking over the mark.

Agree we were outcoached. I wonder if Hardwicks tactic will change the way rucks are looked at. Would like to know how many times Richmond didn't have a ruckman compete at boundary throw ins but had the extra just read Jacobs taps. Then having Grigg compete at centre bounces, again they lost the tap but won the clearance. Ruckman may get smaller & be more mobile.

This is where the rule that the ruckman cant grab it out of the air is flawed. If one team doesn't put up anyone to compete, the remaining ruck should be able to grab it out of the air rather than be forced to knock it away, usually to an area that is filled by oppo players, including the ruckman who didnt compete

[cracka]

I'd be potting the coaching staff. They were happy to let Jacobs go up on his lonesome and win tap after tap only to be hitting down to a midfield outnumbered by at least 1 and sometimes 2 Richmond mids, often one on the defensive side of the contest who was there as a backstop if Adelaide won the ball or to break forward when Richmond did. That was structural > coaches.

For the players they took the easy down the line option too often and weren't prepared to take the risk to centre the ball or play on. All of this though was forced by Richmond's pressure on the ball carrier when in play and then choking space up the field when Adelaide players were kicking over the mark.

Agree we were outcoached. I wonder if Hardwicks tactic will change the way rucks are looked at. Would like to know how many times Richmond didn't have a ruckman compete at boundary throw ins but had the extra just read Jacobs taps. Then having Grigg compete at centre bounces, again they lost the tap but won the clearance. Ruckman may get smaller & be more mobile.

This is where the rule that the ruckman cant grab it out of the air is flawed. If one team doesn't put up anyone to compete, the remaining ruck should be able to grab it out of the air rather than be forced to knock it away, usually to an area that is filled by oppo players, including the ruckman who didnt compete

Thats just smart tactics from Richmond though. Using the rules to there advantage. There was a Richmond player following Jacobs to the tap of every uncontested throw in just in case he did grab it. Outcoached.

[Footy Smart]

Geez your'e a hypocrite Booney - I draw your attention back to after the first final when your beloved Chokers remained in insignificance. I thought at the time it was an entirely appropriate and extremely sensible point. turns out it was all talk.... or?

For me, glass half full. It's only football.

We lost a football match, last week some parents lost their daughter at her own hands because of the impact of on line bullying. Perspective in times like this.

[mots02]

I'd be potting the coaching staff. They were happy to let Jacobs go up on his lonesome and win tap after tap only to be hitting down to a midfield outnumbered by at least 1 and sometimes 2 Richmond mids, often one on the defensive side of the contest who was there as a backstop if Adelaide won the ball or to break forward when Richmond did. That was structural > coaches.

For the players they took the easy down the line option too often and weren't prepared to take the risk to centre the ball or play on. All of this though was forced by Richmond's pressure on the ball carrier when in play and then choking space up the field when Adelaide players were kicking over the mark.

Agree we were outcoached. I wonder if Hardwicks tactic will change the way rucks are looked at. Would like to know how many times Richmond didn't have a ruckman compete at boundary throw ins but had the extra just read Jacobs taps. Then having Grigg compete at centre bounces, again they lost the tap but won the clearance. Ruckman may get smaller & be more mobile.

This is where the rule that the ruckman cant grab it out of the air is flawed. If one team doesn't put up anyone to compete, the remaining ruck should be able to grab it out of the air rather than be forced to knock it away, usually to an area that is filled by oppo players, including the ruckman who didnt compete

Thats just smart tactics from Richmond though. Using the rules to there advantage. There was a Richmond player following Jacobs to the tap of every uncontested throw in just in case he did grab it. Outcoached.

Agree that its smart tactics, as was Hawthorn conceding a heap of behinds in 2008.

If it becomes the new adopted tactic by all then we can expect another rule change or an early retirement for traditional ruckmen,

[Q.]

I'd be potting the coaching staff. They were happy to let Jacobs go up on his lonesome and win tap after tap only to be hitting down to a midfield outnumbered by at least 1 and sometimes 2 Richmond mids, often one on the defensive side of the contest who was there as a backstop if Adelaide won the ball or to break forward when Richmond did. That was structural > coaches.

For the players they took the easy down the line option too often and weren't prepared to take the risk to centre the ball or play on. All of this though was forced by Richmond's pressure on the ball carrier when in play and then choking space up the field when Adelaide players were kicking over the mark.

Agree we were outcoached. I wonder if Hardwicks tactic will change the way rucks are looked at. Would like to know how many times Richmond didn't have a ruckman compete at boundary throw ins but had the extra just read Jacobs taps. Then having Grigg compete at centre bounces, again they lost the tap but won the clearance. Ruckman may get smaller & be more mobile.

Hardwick's ruck tactic wasn't new... Geelong been doing similar for years and it won Scott that premiership.

[cracka]

I'd be potting the coaching staff. They were happy to let Jacobs go up on his lonesome and win tap after tap only to be hitting down to a midfield outnumbered by at least 1 and sometimes 2 Richmond mids, often one on the defensive side of the contest who was there as a backstop if Adelaide won the ball or to break forward when Richmond did. That was structural > coaches.

For the players they took the easy down the line option too often and weren't prepared to take the risk to centre the ball or play on. All of this though was forced by Richmond's pressure on the ball carrier when in play and then choking space up the field when Adelaide players were kicking over the mark.

Agree we were outcoached. I wonder if Hardwicks tactic will change the way rucks are looked at. Would like to know how many times Richmond didn't have a ruckman compete at boundary throw ins but had the extra just read Jacobs taps. Then having Grigg compete at centre bounces, again they lost the tap but won the clearance. Ruckman may get smaller & be more mobile.

Hardwick's ruck tactic wasn't new... Geelong been doing similar for years and it won Scott that premiership.

Not having anyone compete at boundary throw ins was new.

[whufc]

Didn't Centrals use that 'no ruckmen' tactic in the 2004 GF or something

[Corona Man]

Didn't Centrals use that 'no ruckmen' tactic in the 2004 GF or something

North Adelaide haven't had a ruckman since Mick Redden retired, we have never made an advantage out of it though.

[cracka]

I'd be potting the coaching staff. They were happy to let Jacobs go up on his lonesome and win tap after tap only to be hitting down to a midfield outnumbered by at least 1 and sometimes 2 Richmond mids, often one on the defensive side of the contest who was there as a backstop if Adelaide won the ball or to break forward when Richmond did. That was structural > coaches.

For the players they took the easy down the line option too often and weren't prepared to take the risk to centre the ball or play on. All of this though was forced by Richmond's pressure on the ball carrier when in play and then choking space up the field when Adelaide players were kicking over the mark.

Agree we were outcoached. I wonder if Hardwicks tactic will change the way rucks are looked at. Would like to know how many times Richmond didn't have a ruckman compete at boundary throw ins but had the extra just read Jacobs taps. Then having Grigg compete at centre bounces, again they lost the tap but won the clearance. Ruckman may get smaller & be more mobile.

Hardwick's ruck tactic wasn't new... Geelong been doing similar for years and it won Scott that premiership.

Not having anyone compete at boundary throw ins was new.

I remember we used Trent Ormond-Allan in ruck contests at one stage too.

[gadj1976]

just goes to show, ruckman are becoming obsolete due to the ridiculous rules in place.

[LMA]

just goes to show, ruckman are becoming obsolete due to the ridiculous rules in place.

Rules I would like to see go or altered

Third man up and nominations in ruck contest, pathetic and embarrassing.
50m penalty, should only be applied to dirty or late hits everything else 15m, too costly if a player enters the zone accidentally
Holding of jumper only to be paid if impeding player from getting to the contest/ball, insignificant holding in a contest has no impact whatsoever.
Chopping the arms, forwards need to be stronger.
Deliberate Out of Bounds, I quite like the SANFL version it takes it away from the umpires, after all most are skill errors just like OOB on the full.
Taking of the legs, too many times the most desperate player is penalized only pay for L.Thomas type incidents.
That's all I got for now.

[Dogwatcher]

"Sides" don't win premeirships, "Teams" do

Lol. It's a synonym.

Mate in footy/performance terms, there is a massive difference between a "team" and a "side"

I'm going to have one win this weekend and it's going to be this one. Look it up in a ******* Thesaurus. They're the same ******* thing.

I think I've got the last word on this:

There is no 'I' in 'team', but there is in 'side'.

[tigerpie]

I didn't see Jacobs tap 1 hitout behind him to a runner, he just dropped it at his feet where the Richmond extra was camped.
He should've done the Ryder to gray move at least once surely. Poor midfield/stoppage coaching or lack of initiative by the crows mids?

[LMA]

"Sides" don't win premeirships, "Teams" do

Lol. It's a synonym.

Mate in footy/performance terms, there is a massive difference between a "team" and a "side"

I think I've got the last word on this:

There is no 'I' in 'team', but there is in 'side'.

I would of went with What does a Glenelg supporter know about premierships