Brownlow 23 - who wins it

[mighty_tiger_79]

Some 30+ stat days aren't as influential as 15 possession stat days.
Stats are overrated.
Just like the kicking efficiency stat the broadcasters roll out.

[another grub]

13 possessions, 1 mark, 1 tackle . 34 AFL pts. = 3 votes. Is next level ridiculous though MT

[Wedgie]

13 possessions, 1 mark, 1 tackle . 34 AFL pts. Is next level ridiculous though MT

Exactly and the people that have since sat through the game said most of those 13 were ineffectual.

[mighty_tiger_79]

13 possessions, 1 mark, 1 tackle . 34 AFL pts. = 3 votes. Is next level ridiculous though MT

They got that one wrong.
Can't be surprised the umps made a poor decision???

[another grub]

Its not as if its a split second 50/50 high tackle decision. These 4 blokes sit down over a lemonade after the game( I presume they look at stats sheet) and they came up with JHF ???? Did they think he was Bergman?

[Wedgie]

Also heard a stat where 17 players who got 3 Brownlow votes didn't get a vote in the coaches award.
And 20 that got 10 coaches votes got no Brownlow votes.
There's too many wrong decision for them to justify keeping it with the umps.

PS Grub, they're not allowed to look at the stats sheet. Maybe they should?

[whufc]

Also heard a stat where 17 players who got 3 Brownlow votes didn't get a vote in the coaches award.
And 20 that got 10 coaches votes got no Brownlow votes.
There's too many wrong decision for them to justify keeping it with the umps.

PS Grub, they're not allowed to look at the stats sheet. Maybe they should?

To a point i can understand coaches votes and umpires votes looking fairly different. Umps are not to know the inner workings of what coaches have asked players etc, Teams generally defend zonally so even looking for who was playing on who would be a tad difficult when it's not your primary role.

[Wedgie]

Also heard a stat where 17 players who got 3 Brownlow votes didn't get a vote in the coaches award.
And 20 that got 10 coaches votes got no Brownlow votes.
There's too many wrong decision for them to justify keeping it with the umps.

PS Grub, they're not allowed to look at the stats sheet. Maybe they should?

To a point i can understand coaches votes and umpires votes looking fairly different. Umps are not to know the inner workings of what coaches have asked players etc, Teams generally defend zonally so even looking for who was playing on who would be a tad difficult when it's not your primary role.

They give votes for the opposition players too.
They give votes out for the best players not the players who play their roles best.

[Jimmy_041]

Lachie Neale a huge chance to ruin the Daicos appreciation night

Lachie didnt make the All Australian Team
Yet AE his tipped him
I think this post deserves this iconic emoji

Just shows he thinks like an umpire

[whufc]

Also heard a stat where 17 players who got 3 Brownlow votes didn't get a vote in the coaches award.
And 20 that got 10 coaches votes got no Brownlow votes.
There's too many wrong decision for them to justify keeping it with the umps.

PS Grub, they're not allowed to look at the stats sheet. Maybe they should?

To a point i can understand coaches votes and umpires votes looking fairly different. Umps are not to know the inner workings of what coaches have asked players etc, Teams generally defend zonally so even looking for who was playing on who would be a tad difficult when it's not your primary role.

They give votes for the opposition players too.
They give votes out for the best players not the players who play their roles best.

Kind of one and one of the same.

If in the grand final Charlie Cameron is kept to 0 goals, 1 kicks, 1 handball whoever played on him has played their role best and from a coaches point of view would most definitely be one of the best players. Now the chances of an umpire giving that player a brownlow vote are literally non existent, when is the last time you saw a shut down defender get 3 brownlow votes. I don't agree getting 30 possession is the only way you can be best on ground.

[amber_fluid]

Also heard a stat where 17 players who got 3 Brownlow votes didn't get a vote in the coaches award.
And 20 that got 10 coaches votes got no Brownlow votes.
There's too many wrong decision for them to justify keeping it with the umps.

PS Grub, they're not allowed to look at the stats sheet. Maybe they should?

To a point i can understand coaches votes and umpires votes looking fairly different. Umps are not to know the inner workings of what coaches have asked players etc, Teams generally defend zonally so even looking for who was playing on who would be a tad difficult when it's not your primary role.

They give votes for the opposition players too.
They give votes out for the best players not the players who play their roles best.

Kind of one and one of the same.

If in the grand final Charlie Cameron is kept to 0 goals, 1 kicks, 1 handball whoever played on him has played their role best and from a coaches point of view would most definitely be one of the best players. Now the chances of an umpire giving that player a brownlow vote are literally non existent, when is the last time you saw a shut down defender get 3 brownlow votes. I don't agree getting 30 possession is the only way you can be best on ground.

Defenders are a dime a dozen!
Midfielders and forwards are what brings people to the game and they should win the Brownlow

[amber_fluid]

Great effort by Neale to win 2 Brownlows.
Would anyone have him in their top 5 current best players?
I’d struggle to get him in my top 10

[Booney]

Great effort by Neale to win 2 Brownlows.
Would anyone have him in their top 5 current best players?
I’d struggle to get him in my top 10

If the AFL hadn't manipulated the 2022 Cripps result Neale would have 3.

[amber_fluid]

Great effort by Neale to win 2 Brownlows.
Would anyone have him in their top 5 current best players?
I’d struggle to get him in my top 10

If the AFL hadn't manipulated the 2022 Cripps result Neale would have 3.

He could have 4.
He’s still not in my top 10

[David Brent]

I don't begrudge Neales win but crickey there was some weird voting.
Sure you might get 40 odd possessions but be a bit lippy or question an umps decisions and that could reflect on an umpires votes.
It is a fairest and best player award after all.
The JHF getting 3 votes for a 13 possession game is bizarre.
Daicos has a 41 possession game at 85 percent efficiency and doesn't get a vote.. .weird!

That's how good he is.

Perhaps all the opposition clubs booing JHF consistently made the umpires think he was around the footy all day & ripping up...

[Armchair expert]

So many of these 40 pos games are massively influenced by players taking the kick ins. Scrap that stat next year AFL.

100% another Steve sHocking disaster

[Brodlach]

I don't begrudge Neales win but crickey there was some weird voting.
Sure you might get 40 odd possessions but be a bit lippy or question an umps decisions and that could reflect on an umpires votes.
It is a fairest and best player award after all.
The JHF getting 3 votes for a 13 possession game is bizarre.
Daicos has a 41 possession game at 85 percent efficiency and doesn't get a vote.. .weird!

That's how good he is.

Jon Ralph. “ I just watched every possession of Horne-Francis getting three votes for 13 touches v Geelong and it's a travesty. 13 touches. Four ineffective, two clangers, four short kicks. One scrounged kick off the ground that went a metre. Zero impact. Time to let umpires look at stats.”

[Jimmy_041]

I don't begrudge Neales win but crickey there was some weird voting.
Sure you might get 40 odd possessions but be a bit lippy or question an umps decisions and that could reflect on an umpires votes.
It is a fairest and best player award after all.
The JHF getting 3 votes for a 13 possession game is bizarre.
Daicos has a 41 possession game at 85 percent efficiency and doesn't get a vote.. .weird!

That's how good he is.

Jon Ralph. “ I just watched every possession of Horne-Francis getting three votes for 13 touches v Geelong and it's a travesty. 13 touches. Four ineffective, two clangers, four short kicks. One scrounged kick off the ground that went a metre. Zero impact. Time to let umpires look at stats.”

They would need to be able to interpret the stats.
Considering they have massive problems interpreting rules, I dont think that's going to help

Time to let opposition coaches vote 5-4-3-2-1 to get the 3-2-1

[RustyCage]

People whinge about the umpiring day after day and then are surprised when they get the votes wrong? [emoji2371]

[Armchair expert]

Coaches votes and Brownlow both had the same top 6 players but in different orders, not like they were completely off the mark.