NORTH ADELAIDE the super team

[mal]

the reality is that all clubs have to recruit. Some just do it better than others (re North v Glenelg for the Nick Gill Cup, North v Norwood for the Leigh Ryswyck Cup...).
Look at Aussie Rules today- the AFL is the top tier, SANFL 2nd, VFL/WAFL 3rd & 4th etc so what you have, is 640 players in the AFL system, approx 360 in the SANFL etc & so on, so players are grouped according to ability & opportunity, so really, if you have a player at your club that come up through the junior ranks, & was good enough for SANFL, yet not good enough for AFL, then you've had a big win, as I think you'd find this to be the exception, rather than the rule. This is also why Barrrie Robran left Whyalla & joined North- opportunity.
Let's face it, the way society functions today, people barely talk to their neighbours, yet will drive 1/2 to see friends. The players & clubs have a similar train of thought.
When Ron Barrassi crossed from Melbourn to Carlton, that signalled the end of clubs being full of home grown heroes.
Take a look around the SANFL clubs- West, South, Port, North, WWT (probably all clubs) have the same/similar ratio of home grown to imports. The quality of the player at the club is what stands out, hence the envy shown currently towards North- North have recruited, but they've also recruited smarter.

From 1900 to 2000 the sides that promoted juniors were as a rule
the most successful clubs.I refer mainly to Port Adelaide who dominated
in this era of football.
With the advent of the Crows/Port Power and the expansion of the AFL
the juniors are now disapeering before the sanfl clubs can utilise them.

The blueprint for success from 2000+ is to recruit heavily from interstate
and KEEP them.
South have recruited extensively but have this inabilty to KEEP recruits
Centrals have recuited extensively 6 years ago and KEPT that talent.
North Adelaide have recruited very very well.
North Adelaide would be closer to bottom than top without those players
listed in jest in my superteam .

Clubs that are wealthier will invariably be successful these days.
Clubs are now naming ovals after sponsors to get that status.

The one positive Ive got out of this North foreign legion is that at
least they play spectators footy and deserve the accolades.

[drebin]

Maybe we should make all recruits playing for the SANFL clubs live in the actual suburbs the clubs are based in! That would ensure Centrals and South get no recruits because who would want to live at Elizabeth or Noarlunga - no need to say anymore on that! The leading clubs would be North (Prospect), Glenelg, Sturt (Unley) and Norwood. As for the others, Port would struggle although most of Alberton is reasonably nice these days but still carries that "smelly Port warfie" tag plus you might get some typical Port fan's as neighbours. Eagles could divide players between Woodville and Thebby but keep away from Woodville Park and Woodville South - the "Trust" areas. West (Richmond) half alright as long as you don't get neigbours like Punk Rooster and close to town and the airport - which is good for West recruits because they seem to want to get out of there fairly quickly in recent years.

[spell_check]

It would be intersting to see stats on the number of players listed with each team who have actually payed junior footy with that team.

Has anyone with the time , energy and access to the info to be able to do that ?

sounds like a job for Spelly?? if hes got the time

You would have to ask a range of people for that, as I don't have the resources to find each players' previous club/location.

[dinglinga]

yes i forgot u won a flag in 91

[Punk Rooster]

Maybe we should make all recruits playing for the SANFL clubs live in the actual suburbs the clubs are based in! That would ensure Centrals and South get no recruits because who would want to live at Elizabeth or Noarlunga - no need to say anymore on that! The leading clubs would be North (Prospect), Glenelg, Sturt (Unley) and Norwood. As for the others, Port would struggle although most of Alberton is reasonably nice these days but still carries that "smelly Port warfie" tag plus you might get some typical Port fan's as neighbours. Eagles could divide players between Woodville and Thebby but keep away from Woodville Park and Woodville South - the "Trust" areas. West (Richmond) half alright as long as you don't get neigbours like Punk Rooster :wink: and close to town and the airport - which is good for West recruits because they seem to want to get out of there fairly quickly in recent years.

Lol!

[mal]

Punk I thought you would have given me a spray' for
not having you on the ground in the starting line up.

[rod_rooster]

oh well waiting 19 years for a premiership i would freak also

As the saying goes, "it is better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you're stupid, than to open it and remove all doubt". I let you figure out why your comment removes all doubt dinglinga.

GOLD comment RR.

I think dongadanga needs to go back to school and repeat grade 1 maths.

Not so sure it's his mathematics that is at fault rather as he himself says

Pardon my ignorance

in regards to when anyone but Port last won a flag.

[Wedgie]

North Adelaide would be closer to bottom than top without those players
listed in jest in my superteam .

We'll have to agree to disagree there mal.
I doubt we'd be closer to bottom without Motlop, Perrie, D.White, Lonie or Hudson as most games this year have been without them.
(White or Hudson haven't even played a game)
I doubt we'd be closer to bottom without Hargs, Walker, Coulter or Walton because most games this year have been without them.
(Walton hasn't played a game)

In regards to recruits that play yes we'd be closer to bottom but any team would be closer to bottom if you took their recruits out, its a silly comment.
I'm sure Port would have been closer to bottom a few years ago if they hadn't recruited R.Ebert.

[Punk Rooster]

*Pls delete Mods* (used this post in another one)

[Punk Rooster]

Punk I thought you would have given me a spray' for
not having you on the ground in the starting line up.

No, I'm happy to be named on the bench in such a glorious side at a glorious club.

(Walton hasn't played a game)

He played in North's win over Port at Prospect.

[Wedgie]

(Walton hasn't played a game)

He played in North's win over Port at Prospect.

Cheers mate, must have been pissed that day, always enjoy those wins over Port a little too much, still getting over yesterday!

[mal]

Punk I thought you would have given me a spray' for
not having you on the ground in the starting line up.

No, I'm happy to be named on the bench in such a glorious side at a glorious club.

(Walton hasn't played a game)

He played in North's win over Port at Prospect.

Sorry i put Walton in Wedgie i was running out of recruits.

Punky only one thing stopped you from
being a sanfl footballer..............'ability'

[Punk Rooster]

From 1900 to 2000 the sides that promoted juniors were as a rule
the most successful clubs.I refer mainly to Port Adelaide who dominated
in this era of football.
With the advent of the Crows/Port Power and the expansion of the AFL
the juniors are now disapeering before the sanfl clubs can utilise them.

Port Adelaide (1984)
24 players recruited from their zone
17 players recruited from other clubs.

North Adelaide (1984)
28 players recruited from their zone
9 players recruited from other clubs.

Now, you'd argue that most of Port's 17 recruits would've been in the starting 20, so that blows your theaory out the water a bit, mamMAL.

[drebin]

the reality is that all clubs have to recruit. Some just do it better than others (re North v Glenelg for the Nick Gill Cup, North v Norwood for the Leigh Ryswyck Cup...).
Look at Aussie Rules today- the AFL is the top tier, SANFL 2nd, VFL/WAFL 3rd & 4th etc so what you have, is 640 players in the AFL system, approx 360 in the SANFL etc & so on, so players are grouped according to ability & opportunity, so really, if you have a player at your club that come up through the junior ranks, & was good enough for SANFL, yet not good enough for AFL, then you've had a big win, as I think you'd find this to be the exception, rather than the rule. This is also why Barrrie Robran left Whyalla & joined North- opportunity.
Let's face it, the way society functions today, people barely talk to their neighbours, yet will drive 1/2 to see friends. The players & clubs have a similar train of thought.
When Ron Barrassi crossed from Melbourn to Carlton, that signalled the end of clubs being full of home grown heroes.
Take a look around the SANFL clubs- West, South, Port, North, WWT (probably all clubs) have the same/similar ratio of home grown to imports. The quality of the player at the club is what stands out, hence the envy shown currently towards North- North have recruited, but they've also recruited smarter.

From 1900 to 2000 the sides that promoted juniors were as a rule
the most successful clubs.I refer mainly to Port Adelaide who dominated
in this era of football.
With the advent of the Crows/Port Power and the expansion of the AFL
the juniors are now disapeering before the sanfl clubs can utilise them.

The blueprint for success from 2000+ is to recruit heavily from interstate
and KEEP them.
South have recruited extensively but have this inabilty to KEEP recruits
Centrals have recuited extensively 6 years ago and KEPT that talent.
North Adelaide have recruited very very well.
North Adelaide would be closer to bottom than top without those players
listed in jest in my superteam .

Clubs that are wealthier will invariably be successful these days.
Clubs are now naming ovals after sponsors to get that status.

The one positive Ive got out of this North foreign legion is that at
least they play spectators footy and deserve the accolades.

You forgot Port Adelaide - what about their foreign legion of over paid "star" recruits this year. Definately hasn't helped them. They have had one leave "under a cloud" without playing a game, another who bailed out 4 weeks ago and now all these rumours of "discontent" at Alberton. Doesn't help that one ex AFL player who signed with out leaving his loungeroom in Vic is now hating the place, the coach and allegedly is looking to get out at the end of the year and has seen his form drop dramatically in the last few weeks. Throw in 2 second year big named ex AFL players (one originally from Port) as well. One who does his own thing almost every game and another who never plays to the coaches instructions and in fact if the rumours are true believes he is the coach! It was mentioned on the TV yesterday for those cluey enough to pick it up.

[Leaping Lindner]

pardon my ignorance when was the last time an ex north player coached a premiership team at north

ie:- played at north then coached

suppose at port we like to employe within except knights

u can buy a premiership but u cant buy tradition

How is that relevant? A Premiership is a Premiership. No one cares who coached it, as long as you get one.
Mike Patterson coached North to the Champions of Australia in 1972- does the fact that he's not North born & bred make that a lesser feat?
Btw, Fos Williams, your greatest coach, was a West Adelaide boy...

And John Cahill played juniors at South.

[mal]

From 1900 to 2000 the sides that promoted juniors were as a rule
the most successful clubs.I refer mainly to Port Adelaide who dominated
in this era of football.
With the advent of the Crows/Port Power and the expansion of the AFL
the juniors are now disapeering before the sanfl clubs can utilise them.

Port Adelaide (1984)
24 players recruited from their zone
17 players recruited from other clubs.

North Adelaide (1984)
28 players recruited from their zone
9 players recruited from other clubs.

Now, you'd argue that most of Port's 17 recruits would've been in the starting 20, so that blows your theaory out the water a bit, mamMAL.

As a rule 1 said Punky and you have itemised one year in 100 years
how many interstate recruits did they have 1954-59 when they won
all those flags ?

1984 was a year to remember as well.....Norwood beat them in the g/f

[Punk Rooster]

Just happened to have the 1985 Football Times Yearbook (1984 playing list) at my disposal (I'm not researching 100 years of footy to win a small discussion!)

[Aerie]

Take a look around the SANFL clubs- West, South, Port, North, WWT (probably all clubs) have the same/similar ratio of home grown to imports. The quality of the player at the club is what stands out, hence the envy shown currently towards North- North have recruited, but they've also recruited smarter.

Looking at the Eagles team from the weekend...

Recruits from interstate - Passador (72 games), Inkster (69), Jarrad (13), Powell (73), McKenzie (83 and Vice Captain), Lindsay (124), Colville (214 and Captain).
Recruits from other clubs - Grocke, Cooper, Pedler (92) (played juniors at Port)
Homegrown - Fairclough (3), Westbrook (48 ), Symmons (20), Cicolella (154 and Vice Captain), Potter (42) (unsure), Shattock (21), P Fiacchi (82), Jacobs (5), Rugolo (69), Earl (65), Salter (1).

And looking at those who have played league this year...

Interstate/AFL - Treeby (53), Frewen (109), Hall (191), Pederson, Knights
Other clubs/other country areas - Dabrowski, Oakley, Vandeleur, Redden, Jackman
Homegrown - R Fiacchi (28 ), Wigley (40), Price, Roberts, Spencer, Coles, Floreani (136), Skipworth (71), Vince, Bock (48 )

I would say Punkrooster is pretty on the mark with his comments. The majority of our experience and leadership comes from our recruits. The quality of our homegrown players is what makes a good team.

[mal]

Take a look around the SANFL clubs- West, South, Port, North, WWT (probably all clubs) have the same/similar ratio of home grown to imports. The quality of the player at the club is what stands out, hence the envy shown currently towards North- North have recruited, but they've also recruited smarter.

Looking at the Eagles team from the weekend...

Recruits from interstate - Passador (72 games), Inkster (69), Jarrad (13), Powell (73), McKenzie (83 and Vice Captain), Lindsay (124), Colville (214 and Captain).
Recruits from other clubs - Grocke, Cooper, Pedler (92) (played juniors at Port)
Homegrown - Fairclough (3), Westbrook (48 ), Symmons (20), Cicolella (154 and Vice Captain), Potter (42) (unsure), Shattock (21), P Fiacchi (82), Jacobs (5), Rugolo (69), Earl (65), Salter (1).

And looking at those who have played league this year...

Interstate/AFL - Treeby (53), Frewen (109), Hall (191), Pederson, Knights
Other clubs/other country areas - Dabrowski, Oakley, Vandeleur, Redden, Jackman
Homegrown - R Fiacchi (28 ), Wigley (40), Price, Roberts, Spencer, Coles, Floreani (136), Skipworth (71), Vince, Bock (48 )

I would say Punkrooster is pretty on the mark with his comments. The majority of our experience and leadership comes from our recruits. The quality of our homegrown players is what makes a good team.

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I cant get 22 players for a superteam from the Eagles
as there are too many homegrowns in that squad.

Eagles probably deserve to buy some Interstaters considering
all the talent they have supplied the Crows with.

Lets not kid ourselves those Eagles would have won a flag
of Centrals if they had all their Crows players to pick from.

[rod_rooster]

Lets not kid ourselves those Eagles would have won a flag
of Centrals if they had all their Crows players to pick from.

What if all sides had all AFL players they had produced? Eagles are just fortunate that so many of there's have stayed with Adelaide based clubs. Shudder to think about Port having all AFL players they have produced.