2025 Adelaide Footy League - Division 1

[tigerpie]

Interesting read this subject.
All club philosophy that I know of is put time, money and effort in your junior programs.
If you do this well enough then the club should thrive.
If all of a sudden more money becomes available, instead of putting into your juniors, it goes to a senior recruits pocket.
And that 17 year old lad that's come through your juniors can't get into the ones so he leaves or quits footy all together.

You can't buy a good healthy club culture and therefore buying premierships is a very risky business long term.

[wenchbarwer]

Interesting read this subject.
All club philosophy that I know of is put time, money and effort in your junior programs.
If you do this well enough then the club should thrive.
If all of a sudden more money becomes available, instead of putting into your juniors, it goes to a senior recruits pocket.
And that 17 year old lad that's come through your juniors can't get into the ones so he leaves or quits footy all together.
You can't buy a good healthy club culture and therefore buying premierships is a very risky business long term.

$hoe$

[AdelaideSaint73]

Salary Cap is about SANFL not losing players to local footy.

All that is needed is the player points, if clubs want to spend dollars so be it, they will either succeed or they won't and will suffer the consequences. Player points was designed to even the competitions, it should also stop clubs loading up with players and force development.

The only unfair aspect of the points system is the old scholars having the advantage because some kid went to the college, which totally ignores that in the formative years community clubs developed them.

Having been involved with both College sides and Community clubs sides I've grown sick of this argument. College sides have the exact same access to those players who were at their school as the Community club does. If they played juniors at the club they are zero points, if they played College football they are zero points. The community club would then need to have a look at why the particular player would choose the College side over them surely. Many College footballers return to their community club when they finish school.

For River Murray - this means I am in favour of the current APPS.

[River Murray]

Salary Cap is about SANFL not losing players to local footy.

All that is needed is the player points, if clubs want to spend dollars so be it, they will either succeed or they won't and will suffer the consequences. Player points was designed to even the competitions, it should also stop clubs loading up with players and force development.

The only unfair aspect of the points system is the old scholars having the advantage because some kid went to the college, which totally ignores that in the formative years community clubs developed them.

Having been involved with both College sides and Community clubs sides I've grown sick of this argument. College sides have the exact same access to those players who were at their school as the Community club does. If they played juniors at the club they are zero points, if they played College football they are zero points. The community club would then need to have a look at why the particular player would choose the College side over them surely. Many College footballers return to their community club when they finish school.

For River Murray - this means I am in favour of the current APPS.

Agree with you......college clubs are no different.....more lurks an perks and jobs.....community clubs more brown paper bags
Agree with points.......salary crap is a waste of time and useless

Can't be controlled......2/3rds of clubs in the state go over salary cap.....can't be policed.....caught 4 clubs in 10 years
Spent over $1 million in trying to implement a salary crap.....which they cant do.....put the money into juniors rather than wasting time
Volunteers spend a gazillion hours doing paper work......points only and no salary crap
Clubs will always find ways around it......especially us in country areas

[Jimmy_041]

Salary Cap is about SANFL not losing players to local footy.

All that is needed is the player points, if clubs want to spend dollars so be it, they will either succeed or they won't and will suffer the consequences. Player points was designed to even the competitions, it should also stop clubs loading up with players and force development.

The only unfair aspect of the points system is the old scholars having the advantage because some kid went to the college, which totally ignores that in the formative years community clubs developed them.

Having been involved with both College sides and Community clubs sides I've grown sick of this argument. College sides have the exact same access to those players who were at their school as the Community club does. If they played juniors at the club they are zero points, if they played College football they are zero points. The community club would then need to have a look at why the particular player would choose the College side over them surely. Many College footballers return to their community club when they finish school.

For River Murray - this means I am in favour of the current APPS.

Totally correct. The junior can qualify for either the old collegians or district via years / games played
If they have never played senior football, they can also go and play anywhere for zero points.
But, getting those facts into some idiots brains is impossible.

[AdelaideSaint73]

Salary Cap is about SANFL not losing players to local footy.

All that is needed is the player points, if clubs want to spend dollars so be it, they will either succeed or they won't and will suffer the consequences. Player points was designed to even the competitions, it should also stop clubs loading up with players and force development.

The only unfair aspect of the points system is the old scholars having the advantage because some kid went to the college, which totally ignores that in the formative years community clubs developed them.

Having been involved with both College sides and Community clubs sides I've grown sick of this argument. College sides have the exact same access to those players who were at their school as the Community club does. If they played juniors at the club they are zero points, if they played College football they are zero points. The community club would then need to have a look at why the particular player would choose the College side over them surely. Many College footballers return to their community club when they finish school.

For River Murray - this means I am in favour of the current APPS.

Totally correct. The junior can qualify for either the old collegians or district via years / games played
If they have never played senior football, they can also go and play anywhere for zero points.
But, getting those facts into some idiots brains is impossible.

Bit like the -1 excuse for not having 4 players on the bench. Has to happen. Still too many games decided by injuries instead of true form.

[jo172]

Salary Cap is about SANFL not losing players to local footy.

All that is needed is the player points, if clubs want to spend dollars so be it, they will either succeed or they won't and will suffer the consequences. Player points was designed to even the competitions, it should also stop clubs loading up with players and force development.

The only unfair aspect of the points system is the old scholars having the advantage because some kid went to the college, which totally ignores that in the formative years community clubs developed them.

Having been involved with both College sides and Community clubs sides I've grown sick of this argument. College sides have the exact same access to those players who were at their school as the Community club does. If they played juniors at the club they are zero points, if they played College football they are zero points. The community club would then need to have a look at why the particular player would choose the College side over them surely. Many College footballers return to their community club when they finish school.

For River Murray - this means I am in favour of the current APPS.

Totally correct. The junior can qualify for either the old collegians or district via years / games played
If they have never played senior football, they can also go and play anywhere for zero points.
But, getting those facts into some idiots brains is impossible.

For this precise reason I'm baffled that Matt Nunn attracts points. Played 2 senior games at Payneham in 2013 yet somehow returns a decade later as a 4 pointer.

[Jimmy_041]

Salary Cap is about SANFL not losing players to local footy.

All that is needed is the player points, if clubs want to spend dollars so be it, they will either succeed or they won't and will suffer the consequences. Player points was designed to even the competitions, it should also stop clubs loading up with players and force development.

The only unfair aspect of the points system is the old scholars having the advantage because some kid went to the college, which totally ignores that in the formative years community clubs developed them.

Having been involved with both College sides and Community clubs sides I've grown sick of this argument. College sides have the exact same access to those players who were at their school as the Community club does. If they played juniors at the club they are zero points, if they played College football they are zero points. The community club would then need to have a look at why the particular player would choose the College side over them surely. Many College footballers return to their community club when they finish school.

For River Murray - this means I am in favour of the current APPS.

Totally correct. The junior can qualify for either the old collegians or district via years / games played
If they have never played senior football, they can also go and play anywhere for zero points.
But, getting those facts into some idiots brains is impossible.

For this precise reason I'm baffled that Matt Nunn attracts points. Played 2 senior games at Payneham in 2013 yet somehow returns a decade later as a 4 pointer.

I dont have a black belt in the APPS.
@Down the Hill may be able to explain

[wenchbarwer]

Thought you had to play 25 games to be a zero pointer? As Nunn came straight from Norwood to PNU, he'd be worth 4 points in 2024.

https://sanfl-content.imgix.net/content ... cument.pdf

Section 8.8.2

[Brodlach]

Thought you had to play 25 games to be a zero pointer? As Nunn came straight from Norwood to PNU, he'd be worth 4 points in 2024.

https://sanfl-content.imgix.net/content ... cument.pdf

Section 8.8.2

Correct

[The Bedge]

20 games.

[jo172]

Thought you had to play 25 games to be a zero pointer? As Nunn came straight from Norwood to PNU, he'd be worth 4 points in 2024.

https://sanfl-content.imgix.net/content ... cument.pdf

Section 8.8.2

But played in 2013, before senior footy for norwood.

[Jimmy_041]

Thought you had to play 25 games to be a zero pointer? As Nunn came straight from Norwood to PNU, he'd be worth 4 points in 2024.

https://sanfl-content.imgix.net/content ... cument.pdf

Section 8.8.2

But played in 2013, before senior footy for norwood.

My recollection is everybody is a zero pointer at any first senior club

[AdelaideSaint73]

Without having the full details, if he didn't play 20+ games at any junior club, his first club would be Norwood and therefore 4 points for anyone.

[jo172]

Thought you had to play 25 games to be a zero pointer? As Nunn came straight from Norwood to PNU, he'd be worth 4 points in 2024.

https://sanfl-content.imgix.net/content ... cument.pdf

Section 8.8.2

But played in 2013, before senior footy for norwood.

My recollection is everybody is a zero pointer at any first senior club

It seems this isn't the case.

If you play <20 games at your first club (and weren't a junior or other zero pointer) if you go else where such that you attract points, and return to that club, you will come back on points, even if that is your first club.

[scottroo]

I’m not sure what the issue is? He’s not a Payneham junior; they’ve invested nothing in him as a junior, he’s played a token two games before playing years in the SANFL system, what right do they have over any other club because he’s played two games? We have had guys return who have played 19 games of junior footy over multiple seasons for us, who are returning as 3 point players!

[jo172]

I’m not sure what the issue is? He’s not a Payneham junior; they’ve invested nothing in him as a junior, he’s played a token two games before playing years in the SANFL system, what right do they have over any other club because he’s played two games? We have had guys return who have played 19 games of junior footy over multiple seasons for us, who are returning as 3 point players!

No issue, just testing whether the proposition that you're zero points at your fist registered club as a senior is accurate which was put earlier.

[jo172]

As a hypothetical for example, a bloke who has never played before comes out and plays a season of Bs and As for you but you don't make final so he only plays 18 games

He shows some talent, then goes to a SANFL club and plays two games of reserves, does an ACL, never plays for them again. He quits that and leaves and returns to you.

Seems somewhat odd that this hypothetical player would be worth 3 points notwithstanding he's returning to the only club he'd ever played at and played far less footy for the club he's notionally a three pointer for than the club he is returning to.

[scottroo]

As a majority of his games in the last 24 months we’re with his home club he’d be returning as a zero, if he didn’t play for a season after doing his acl and only playing 2 games, he’d also be a zero as he’d played less than 5 games in 2 years

[The Bedge]

If you play <20 games at your first club (and weren't a junior or other zero pointer) if you go else where such that you attract points, and return to that club, you will come back on points, even if that is your first club.

Bloke played 3 games for you and you're emotional he's worth points following an almost 200 game league career?

If it makes you feel better, think he drops to 0 in 2025?