The Big Shrek wrote:Didn't answer my question Jimmy. Why not just let them opt out?
Nothing to do with me TBS They can opt out of the CFL R&R's and the CFL will do what they decide to do - again - nothing to do with me However, as a League, we would then consider the interests of our Member clubs which is entirely reasonable if BL&G are considering the interests of their clubs.
Jimmy_041 wrote:jo; BLG already have it in their Rules & Regs that there are no internal transfers to ensure that their clubs have to import new players, so it's already the BLG v the rest of the leagues They are also the main league that threatened the SAAFL about joining the APPS and the consequences of not joining it. The salary cap was mainly wanted by the country leagues to stop their clubs killing themselves. The vast majority of SAAFL are already within the cap Personally, I am a free market advocate and am against the salary cap. But, when I consider all of the above, and then read this, it suddenly gets my interest:
The BL&G definately wont cave in and the ammos threats are just a big bluff, they will be called out on it
This isnt why that rule is in place, it was priginally put in place to stop the club down the road with more money poaching a gun player from their neighbour, works quite well and if a club really wants that player they need to come to arrangement with the other club. The main reason it was bought in though was if a kid went down to Centrals and played underage or senior footy he had to return to his "home" club rather than another club in the league who had nothing to do with his development for dollars. Of course nothing stopping said player going to another league but at least he wasnt playing against the club that developed him
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Jimmy_041 wrote:jo; BLG already have it in their Rules & Regs that there are no internal transfers to ensure that their clubs have to import new players, so it's already the BLG v the rest of the leagues They are also the main league that threatened the SAAFL about joining the APPS and the consequences of not joining it. The salary cap was mainly wanted by the country leagues to stop their clubs killing themselves. The vast majority of SAAFL are already within the cap Personally, I am a free market advocate and am against the salary cap. But, when I consider all of the above, and then read this, it suddenly gets my interest:
The BL&G definately wont cave in and the ammos threats are just a big bluff, they will be called out on it
This isnt why that rule is in place, it was priginally put in place to stop the club down the road with more money poaching a gun player from their neighbour, works quite well and if a club really wants that player they need to come to arrangement with the other club. The main reason it was bought in though was if a kid went down to Centrals and played underage or senior footy he had to return to his "home" club rather than another club in the league who had nothing to do with his development for dollars. Of course nothing stopping said player going to another league but at least he wasnt playing against the club that developed him
Footy Chick wrote:unless BLG are planning on enforcing the same rule.
Would think that could be an option aswell as the league also making all SAAFL players coming in zero pointers. Hope it doesnt get to that tit for tat stuff from both comps. Interestingly there are 2 other comps saying no aswell that dont seem to get brought into the argument. Always seems to be just BL&G v SAAFL. The funny thing is over the years more players have probably gone from the Barossa to the City than the other way around yet the country clubs are always accused of poaching from the ammos. Having a nephew involved at one of the other rogue leagues I can tell you they pose just as much threat as the BL&G as they have plenty of cashed up clubs that wouldnt even break a sweat paying $100k + every year
Footy Chick wrote:unless BLG are planning on enforcing the same rule.
Would think that could be an option aswell as the league also making all SAAFL players coming in zero pointers. Hope it doesnt get to that tit for tat stuff from both comps. Interestingly there are 2 other comps saying no aswell that dont seem to get brought into the argument. Always seems to be just BL&G v SAAFL. The funny thing is over the years more players have probably gone from the Barossa to the City than the other way around yet the country clubs are always accused of poaching from the ammos. Having a nephew involved at one of the other rogue leagues I can tell you they pose just as much threat as the BL&G as they have plenty of cashed up clubs that wouldnt even break a sweat paying $100k + every year
Red Rocket. Was told today of a 4th league a bit west of you that is likely to now be a no.
Should start calling you yo-yo Oyster. How many leagues will it be next week? Gone from heaps of leagues, to 5, then down to 3 back up to 4. The AUD compared to the USD is more predictable than your dribble.
Can you bring a man to his feet when defeat is on repeat?
LaughingKookaburra wrote:Should start calling you yo-yo Oyster. How many leagues will it be next week? Gone from heaps of leagues, to 5, then down to 3 back up to 4. The AUD compared to the USD is more predictable than your dribble.
Mr Kookaburra. The reason it's changed so often is that leagues have had numerous meetings. Information has also changed. What was originally decided upon has now changed. Possibly one league has been waiting to see what others were doing. Every chance things will change again over the next 2-3 weeks. Still more meetings to be had
Dogwatcher wrote:Interesting that the BL&G was discussing its own salary cap last season.
There are a lot of things discussed Dogwatcher, it doesn't necessarily mean that any clubs agree with it.
The Salary Cap is still the most absurd thing to ever be introduced for country football in South Australia. Imagine owning for example a local real estate company- The Government contacts your business to dictate that you can only give your best employee $500 a week and under no circumstances you are to pay any employee anymore than that even though one or two salesmen are selling the most houses for their business. Yep... ridiculous really...
Dogwatcher wrote:Interesting that the BL&G was discussing its own salary cap last season.
There are a lot of things discussed Dogwatcher, it doesn't necessarily mean that any clubs agree with it.
The Salary Cap is still the most absurd thing to ever be introduced for country football in South Australia. Imagine owning for example a local real estate company- The Government contacts your business to dictate that you can only give your best employee $500 a week and under no circumstances you are to pay any employee anymore than that even though one or two salesmen are selling the most houses for their business. Yep... ridiculous really...
If you classify football players as 'employees' then you should be submitting paperwork to the ATO and paying superannuation. We are at the point the cash payments are equal to the weekly payments for a Monday to Friday job.
Can't have it both ways......you are either an amateur sports club or Sports business which one do you want to be?
Dogwatcher wrote:Interesting that the BL&G was discussing its own salary cap last season.
There are a lot of things discussed Dogwatcher, it doesn't necessarily mean that any clubs agree with it.
The Salary Cap is still the most absurd thing to ever be introduced for country football in South Australia. Imagine owning for example a local real estate company- The Government contacts your business to dictate that you can only give your best employee $500 a week and under no circumstances you are to pay any employee anymore than that even though one or two salesmen are selling the most houses for their business. Yep... ridiculous really...
If you classify football players as 'employees' then you should be submitting paperwork to the ATO and paying superannuation. We are at the point the cash payments are equal to the weekly payments for a Monday to Friday job.
Can't have it both ways......you are either an amateur sports club or Sports business which one do you want to be?
On top of that example...
Your real estate business doesn't rely on the competitor business down the road to also be successful for your company to remain in business.
You might have all the best salesmen, but who cares if there are no houses to sell.
Dogwatcher wrote:Interesting that the BL&G was discussing its own salary cap last season.
There are a lot of things discussed Dogwatcher, it doesn't necessarily mean that any clubs agree with it.
The Salary Cap is still the most absurd thing to ever be introduced for country football in South Australia. Imagine owning for example a local real estate company- The Government contacts your business to dictate that you can only give your best employee $500 a week and under no circumstances you are to pay any employee anymore than that even though one or two salesmen are selling the most houses for their business. Yep... ridiculous really...
If you classify football players as 'employees' then you should be submitting paperwork to the ATO and paying superannuation. We are at the point the cash payments are equal to the weekly payments for a Monday to Friday job.
Can't have it both ways......you are either an amateur sports club or Sports business which one do you want to be?
Correct. and if it's not deemed as income, good luck on the restraint of trade action
Dogwatcher wrote:Interesting that the BL&G was discussing its own salary cap last season.
There are a lot of things discussed Dogwatcher, it doesn't necessarily mean that any clubs agree with it.
The Salary Cap is still the most absurd thing to ever be introduced for country football in South Australia. Imagine owning for example a local real estate company- The Government contacts your business to dictate that you can only give your best employee $500 a week and under no circumstances you are to pay any employee anymore than that even though one or two salesmen are selling the most houses for their business. Yep... ridiculous really...
If you classify football players as 'employees' then you should be submitting paperwork to the ATO and paying superannuation. We are at the point the cash payments are equal to the weekly payments for a Monday to Friday job.
Can't have it both ways......you are either an amateur sports club or Sports business which one do you want to be?
And if the club does submit their paperwork and pay superannuation? All these ridiculous rules being put in place, first the points system, now a salary cap. Anything else before they completely kill country footy? Go and check the payments given out in Victoria for some country football clubs, allegedly most clubs start at $300k a year. That's an issue, not the SA Country Clubs who are paying $100k a year. One club in Victoria allegedly paid $480k this year.
Dogwatcher wrote:Interesting that the BL&G was discussing its own salary cap last season.
There are a lot of things discussed Dogwatcher, it doesn't necessarily mean that any clubs agree with it.
The Salary Cap is still the most absurd thing to ever be introduced for country football in South Australia. Imagine owning for example a local real estate company- The Government contacts your business to dictate that you can only give your best employee $500 a week and under no circumstances you are to pay any employee anymore than that even though one or two salesmen are selling the most houses for their business. Yep... ridiculous really...
If you classify football players as 'employees' then you should be submitting paperwork to the ATO and paying superannuation. We are at the point the cash payments are equal to the weekly payments for a Monday to Friday job.
Can't have it both ways......you are either an amateur sports club or Sports business which one do you want to be?
On top of that example...
Your real estate business doesn't rely on the competitor business down the road to also be successful for your company to remain in business.
You might have all the best salesmen, but who cares if there are no houses to sell.
Didn't Unley sign or poach two former country players for 2015??!!! There will always be houses to sell champ. The football world has gone this long playing the game without pathetic salary cap and points system rules, no need to change things now..
Q. wrote:Pretty sure that's why Vic are bringing in a salary cap.
And until SA Community Football payments are close to that of the rumoured VIC spend then why should SA even be worrying about it? We cant even compare our spend to theirs, on average I bet we wouldn't even be half of theirs.
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What I find odd about this debate is my understanding is that the actual impetus for the salary cap is SANFL clubs concerned about a drain on talent and country clubs concerned that the player payment arms race was going to cause them to be so uncompetitive they would cease to exist.
Most SAAFL clubs are bloody indifferent to the salary cap or at most support the concept lukewarmly. I wouldn't think many SAAFL clubs would lose any sleep over salary cap or no salary cap.
There are that many loop holes in the salary crap crackdown that nobody will get caught unless absolutely insane. Club sponsors giving payment in a brown bag with clubs denying knowledge, sponsors employing players or partners as a subcontractor and paying them (without actually doing an hours). (Subcontractors don't get superannuation or holidays or sick pay and are not company employees) are just 2 ways out of the 20 or so that Ive heard already. Totally legal to hire a subcontractor (you don't have to stipulate his role was playing football)
