The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

[whufc]

If the evidence was so clear that AFL reserves sides have killed other local comps, why would the SANFL agree to it? Effectively signing a death warrant no?

Because the people involved in the SANFL have their own personal agendas to look after

[MW]

at the expense of their jobs when the league folds?

[stan]

at the expense of their jobs when the league folds?

Folds or renamed as AFLSA?

[Grenville]

If the evidence was so clear that AFL reserves sides have killed other local comps, why would the SANFL agree to it? Effectively signing a death warrant no?

Because the people involved in the SANFL have their own personal agendas to look after

Chris Davies says hi.

[Dogwatcher]

at the expense of their jobs when the league folds?

They'll have jobs elsewhere.

[Wedgie]

at the expense of their jobs when the league folds?

Their positions are voluntary and they'll all be off their boards by then and in other positions which may or may not have been benefitted by their vote. It wouldnt suprise me if some of them are seen at Adeaide Oval on AFL gamedays and/or be be involved in businesses that may or may not benefit from certain situations/liaisons.

[Booney]

at the expense of their jobs when the league folds?

Their positions are voluntary and they'll all be off their boards by then and in other positions which may or may not have been benefitted by their vote. It wouldnt suprise me if some of them are seen at Adeaide Oval on AFL gamedays and/or be be involved in businesses that may or may not benefit from certain situations/liaisons.

Like Whicker being on the board of the catering company that had the Football Park contract? ( And Adelaide Oval but I'm not sure if they still do )

[CUTTERMAN]

A few rumblings coming out of WA. The WAFC is trying to merge East and South Freo and also Subiaco and Claremont. They've also contracted a consultancy group to review WA football who have advised that WAFL reserves be ceased and all WAFL Colts to be run by the AFL.

[FOURTH ESTATE]

Hands off my Claremont Tigers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jim05]

Hands off my Claremont Tigers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Blue and Gold Tigers lol

[Wedgie]

Hands off my Claremont Tigers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Blue and Gold Tigers lol

Black and Gold Tigers are lol too!

[FootyFanatic]

Leigh Whicker was a director of the catering company at Footy Park but that company was wholly owned by the SANFL, other SANFL executives were also directors.

[holden78]

We don't believe it.

[am Bays]

SANFL Crows chances of winning just got reduced:

http://sanfl.com.au/leigh-leaps-afl-ranks/

His note book was never for reporting, it was for getting autographs when he umpired the Crows SANFL team!!!

[johntheclaret]

So where do you think clubs will make money from? Why would you buy a membership if coming into the ground was minimal to nil? Don't say bars and canteen sales. Crows and Port members get in for nothing as part of their package and still they don't come or they don't even seem to pass on there tickets for others to use.

Crows and Port fans don't attend SANFL because they are basically not interested.
I used to buy memberships when I lived in Japan with no hope of attending a game, I used to buy them for my wife also, and she had absolutely no idea about footy. I'll concede that there would be a small number of people who become members because it includes tickets to games, but that would not be many. Most would continue regardless.

I do too TRB, but the clubs need to be more proactive on how they would retain members.

In reality ( say the average gate is around 2k paying an average of $8-$10 per game over the 10 home games), the $150k - $180k the clubs generate from ticket / membership sales represents probably less than 5% of the annual turnover, which runs into $multi-millions.
(This might explain why most clubs don't really care what its members want or think)
Gambling and Sponsorship represent a much bigger source of income, so losing $160k a year might not be such big risk. Having said that, the $160k does represent pure profit if you consider that the clubs have to cover costs anyway, whereas bar and canteen sales aren't and assuming the clubs are making say 60% margin on food and drink then they'd have to turnover closer to $275k to make the same profit, and that doesn't include the additional costs of providing food and drink, cooking it, serving it etc., which then does represent a significant risk.

If the clubs were to offer free entry, they would have to think of ways to encourage memberships by giving them some value.
Maybe members could get discounted beer and food, hold some members days throughout the year including the closed season, gala days, more reduced drink and maybe a free buffet meal, put some bands on, whatever....... That makes the day worthwhile and as long as it's family orientated to encourage dad to bring Mrs and the kids.
Speaking of kids, junior membership could give the kids free football schools during 1/2 term / off season etc. Make the membership have real benefits that not only encourages people to support the club and buy one but also encourages them to spend $$$ at the club when they are there.
Have a free membership draw each week with prizes for club merchandise, or a free pre-match meal or several weekly prizes that come from the club so costs are minimal ( I don't know how much it costs the club for a replica Guernsey but I bet it's no more than a few $$$, or how much a meal for two actuall cost) and maybe as a top prize offer a presidents table for each game. Get sponsors to throw in a few freebies for prizes or offer incentives to members only. 10% off a set of tyres or whatever.
If the punters feel there are real benefits to being a member then they will join and maybe the clubs offering free entry or a greatly reduced entry to games, coupled with good membership sales the risk would be greatly offset. Of course to get the benefits and claim the prizes you'd have to be there on the day.
One big gripe with SANFL Club members now is that that don't feel that being a member actually gives them anything. They don't get any real benefits for being a member as the discounted game price is somewhat offset by the cash outlay for the entire season's games in one go. Ergo, no matter how how badly your team performs or you have to miss a game for whatever reason, you've already paid for those games whereas the casual walk on can decide which games to go to depending on team performance, weather etc, and not lose out if they don't go. And of course most members of most most SANFL Clubs feel their club doesnt listen to them, value them as members or value what they might have to say.
This way at least being a member would give you tangible benefits, whether the club values you or your opinion, or not and you don't lose financially if you decide to duck out of the odd game for other reasons.

It isn't rocket science

[mighty_tiger_79]

A few club presidents would argue it is Rocket Science...

[knowledge]

One big gripe with SANFL Club members now is that that don't feel that being a member actually gives them anything.

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There's a big shiny thing in the trophy cabinet at Oxford Terrace, Unley that paid for my membership of the SFC a thousand times over!

[Magellan]

One big gripe with SANFL Club members now is that that don't feel that being a member actually gives them anything. They don't get any real benefits for being a member as the discounted game price is somewhat offset by the cash outlay for the entire season's games in one go. Ergo, no matter how how badly your team performs or you have to miss a game for whatever reason, you've already paid for those games whereas the casual walk on can decide which games to go to depending on team performance, weather etc, and not lose out if they don't go. And of course most members of most most SANFL Clubs feel their club doesnt listen to them, value them as members or value what they might have to say.
This way at least being a member would give you tangible benefits, whether the club values you or your opinion, or not and you don't lose financially if you decide to duck out of the odd game for other reasons.

Spot on.

[MatteeG]

And of course most members of most most SANFL Clubs feel their club doesnt listen to them, value them as members or value what they might have to say.

This is the cause for this whole thread.

[Wedgie]

The NAFC advertised yesterday about the womens comp, I enquired if there was a membership of the womens team (despite it neing free entry to games) so I could show my support to them. NAFC asvised me there was only the general club membership so I had to turn them down as Im not interesred in showing a club in a compromised comp any support. More money theyre missing out on.