Sheffield Shield Season 2015/2016

[Bombers4EVA]

I just can't believe the Redbacks threw their chances again. Every time the Redbacks find themselves a chance of taking home some silverwear. Especially when the odds are in favour this time. They always manage to find a way to f&%k things up and lose it themselves. What a embarrassment for SA cricket.

In reality it seems now that we are always only making up numbers. No one remembers who comes second. If you ain't 1st your last.

That's a huge over reaction and typical waiting until the result to sink the boots. We lost in the end yes, but at times were in winning positions too.
I have been a bit harsh on here too, but mostly in jest and truth is making the shield final is an improvement on previous years and the redbacks have some good young cricketers coming through. Disappointing yes, but not the end of the world for SA cricket by a long shot.

Just letting you know that I come from Victoria. I was born in 1981 and left to come here in 1990. I've been here ever since. I have been following the Redbacks since moving to SA so I can point my disappointment out. As it seems to be happening all the time they make a final or put themselves in a great opportunity. No one gets a trophy for runners up.

[Bombers4EVA]

Would much rather sit here and lament a missed opportunity like today, than to reflect on a season of disappointment sitting at the bottom of the ladder.

Made the final in all formats this year (including BBL), unearthed some talent and most of all finally had blokes knocking on the doors of AUS selection!

SA Cricket is in a far better place now than it was 3yrs ago - we are no longer just making up numbers.

Still you can be happy where you placed during this year. But in the end if you don't win, you dont get the awards. No one gives a crap who comes second or how well you did in finals. Its all about the one that counts and the Redbacks always find a way to f%$k things up.

[The Bedge]

Just letting you know that I come from Victoria. I was born in 1981 and left to come here in 1990. I've been here ever since. I have been following the Redbacks since moving to SA so I can point my disappointment out. As it seems to be happening all the time they make a final or put themselves in a great opportunity. No one gets a trophy for runners up.

No one asked for your life story, nor do I think it validates in anyway your ability to be so critical.

Happening all the time? Please tell me how many times the Redbacks have let you down in a final over the past 20yrs - excluding this season?

[Arch44]

Would much rather sit here and lament a missed opportunity like today, than to reflect on a season of disappointment sitting at the bottom of the ladder.

Made the final in all formats this year (including BBL), unearthed some talent and most of all finally had blokes knocking on the doors of AUS selection!

SA Cricket is in a far better place now than it was 3yrs ago - we are no longer just making up numbers.

Spot on.

[The Bedge]

Still you can be happy where you placed during this year. But in the end if you don't win, you dont get the awards. No one gives a crap who comes second or how well you did in finals. Its all about the one that counts and the Redbacks always find a way to f%$k things up.

You miss the bigger picture - we are no longer the laughing stock of the country.. and when was the last season before this that so many players had been noticed for higher honours?

Zampa, Head, Richardson, Sayers then there is talk around Mennie, and Lehmann has made people notice a bit more.
We produced the SS player of the year in Travis Head, we made the final in all formats, we unearthed Weatherald and Carey looks like he's found his mojo at this level.

We debuted and gave opportunities to Opie, Valente, Andrews, Benton

[bennymacca]

Next year will be the one where we can be critical. Even though it was a huge opportunity missed, dos any of us seriously think we were the best team in the country? We were pretty lucky to even make the final.

Still disappointing to capitulate in the last day or so but I think getting to the final was already overachieving

[The Bedge]

Since 1995-96 when SA last won the Shield (19 seasons not including this one)..

10x finished last
2x finished second last
4x finished third last

that's 16/19 seasons in the bottom 3..

The one day stuff isn't much better, since 2000-01 in the 15 seasons (not including this one), 8/15 times in the bottom 3, 1x win and 1x runner up

[Footy Smart]

As mentioned, proud of the effort, improvement and some individual performances in the big dance.
Looking forward our weakness is the structure of the side and individual roles of the batters.

Cossie is playing ultra-defensive (not his game) due to the attacking nature of our younger bats - Weathers, Head, Lehmo, Ross and Carey. Raph, who is an average state cricketer (nothing personal against Raph) then filling a defensive role in the top of the order. We need to fix this moving forward, getting a better spread IMO.

To win the shield you need and all-rounder. This is a position we haven’t filled since Dan Christian left. Look at Stoinis and Christian in that Vic side. They are so valuable to the structure; we could have then played a 50/50 spinner.
IMO a shield winning side looks like this:
5 bats
Keeper
Spin/medium All-rounder
Spinner/extra medium
3 quicks

[Bombers4EVA]

IF YOU AINT FIRST YOU ARE LAST. Who cares how well you played in the season. Or who has played well. Those stats don't win ya medals or trophies.

[heater31]

Zampa, Head, Richardson, Sayers then there is talk around Mennie, and Lehmann has made people notice a bit more.
We produced the SS player of the year in Travis Head, we made the final in all formats, we unearthed Weatherald and Carey looks like he's found his mojo at this level.

We debuted and gave opportunities to Opie, Valente, Andrews, Benton

I'm going to to throw Raphael in that catagory by far his best Shield Season, 349 runs @ 31.72 batting at 3 and if you combine his with Fergs (478 @ 53.11) we have 827 runs @39.38.

[heater31]

Cossie is playing ultra-defensive (not his game) due to the attacking nature of our younger bats - Weathers, Head, Lehmo, Ross and Carey. Raph, who is an average state cricketer (nothing personal against Raph) then filling a defensive role in the top of the order. We need to fix this moving forward, getting a better spread IMO.

To win the shield you need and all-rounder. This is a position we haven’t filled since Dan Christian left. Look at Stoinis and Christian in that Vic side. They are so valuable to the structure; we could have then played a 50/50 spinner.
IMO a shield winning side looks like this:
5 bats
Keeper
Spin/medium All-rounder
Spinner/extra medium
3 quicks

The batsman who bowls is perfect for a Cam Valente. Caught up with his manager at the game over the weekend and he has the same opinion. Cam is not going to displace Mennie, Worrall or Sayers (despite selectors pegging him as the back up Chadd this year) he needs to bat 6 or 7 and bowl some decent overs when required.

[heater31]

IF YOU AINT FIRST YOU ARE LAST. Who cares how well you played in the season. Or who has played well. Those stats don't win ya medals or trophies.

Who lost the shield the year before we won in 1995/96? That's right it was South Australia who gave Queensland their first ever


Learning experience for all involved

[Aerie]

As mentioned, proud of the effort, improvement and some individual performances in the big dance.
Looking forward our weakness is the structure of the side and individual roles of the batters.

Cossie is playing ultra-defensive (not his game) due to the attacking nature of our younger bats - Weathers, Head, Lehmo, Ross and Carey. Raph, who is an average state cricketer (nothing personal against Raph) then filling a defensive role in the top of the order. We need to fix this moving forward, getting a better spread IMO.

To win the shield you need and all-rounder. This is a position we haven’t filled since Dan Christian left. Look at Stoinis and Christian in that Vic side. They are so valuable to the structure; we could have then played a 50/50 spinner.
IMO a shield winning side looks like this:
5 bats
Keeper
Spin/medium All-rounder
Spinner/extra medium
3 quicks

Botha?

I disagree. Ross at number 6 showed how important it is to have a genuine batsman in that position. If he also happens to be a good bowler then that is a massive bonus, but those players are few and far between as you get to higher levels. Same goes for a bowling all-rounder. Must firstly be considered a top 4 bowler in the state.

The only thing they got wrong was not selecting a spinner. Of course, if they don't think the spinner is any good then they need to find a better back up to Zampa.

[Footy Smart]

Cossie is playing ultra-defensive (not his game) due to the attacking nature of our younger bats - Weathers, Head, Lehmo, Ross and Carey. Raph, who is an average state cricketer (nothing personal against Raph) then filling a defensive role in the top of the order. We need to fix this moving forward, getting a better spread IMO.

To win the shield you need and all-rounder. This is a position we haven’t filled since Dan Christian left. Look at Stoinis and Christian in that Vic side. They are so valuable to the structure; we could have then played a 50/50 spinner.
IMO a shield winning side looks like this:
5 bats
Keeper
Spin/medium All-rounder
Spinner/extra medium
3 quicks

The batsman who bowls is perfect for a Cam Valente. Caught up with his manager at the game over the weekend and he has the same opinion. Cam is not going to displace Mennie, Worrall or Sayers (despite selectors pegging him as the back up Chadd this year) he needs to bat 6 or 7 and bowl some decent overs when required.

I know you like pushing for his selection Heater, but I cant see Cam or even Alex Gregory developing enough to play that quality all rounder role. Thats just my opinion though. Also 6 in a state side is far to high for Valente.

Mennie and Zampa arent all rounders, they are handy lower order bats but certainly not all rounders.

[stan]

IF YOU AINT FIRST YOU ARE LAST. Who cares how well you played in the season. Or who has played well. Those stats don't win ya medals or trophies.

Settle down Ricky Bobbie. Remember his old man was high that day when he came to his class.

[heater31]

Cossie is playing ultra-defensive (not his game) due to the attacking nature of our younger bats - Weathers, Head, Lehmo, Ross and Carey. Raph, who is an average state cricketer (nothing personal against Raph) then filling a defensive role in the top of the order. We need to fix this moving forward, getting a better spread IMO.

To win the shield you need and all-rounder. This is a position we haven’t filled since Dan Christian left. Look at Stoinis and Christian in that Vic side. They are so valuable to the structure; we could have then played a 50/50 spinner.
IMO a shield winning side looks like this:
5 bats
Keeper
Spin/medium All-rounder
Spinner/extra medium
3 quicks

The batsman who bowls is perfect for a Cam Valente. Caught up with his manager at the game over the weekend and he has the same opinion. Cam is not going to displace Mennie, Worrall or Sayers (despite selectors pegging him as the back up Chadd this year) he needs to bat 6 or 7 and bowl some decent overs when required.

I know you like pushing for his selection Heater, but I cant see Cam or even Alex Gregory developing enough to play that quality all rounder role. Thats just my opinion though. Also 6 in a state side is far to high for Valente.

Mennie and Zampa arent all rounders, they are handy lower order bats but certainly not all rounders.

I agree Cam has to get in on a combination of both batting and bowling. Either on their own certainly won't.

Then again I never envisaged Raph would play Shield cricket 5 years ago!

[The Bedge]

The only thing they got wrong was not selecting a spinner. Of course, if they don't think the spinner is any good then they need to find a better back up to Zampa.

Takes time to develop a decent spinner for this level, but there appears to be options emerging - Andrews, Cormack, Pope

[RB]

Pretty embarrassing to lose a home Shield Final - only the Redbacks could manage that.

Really we weren't too far away. A few more runs or a few more overs taken up and the Shield would be ours.

Our mistakes are pretty plain. Just not quite enough runs in that first dig, or alternatively not quite enough overs used up. We should've have a spinner. I know many are saying that our strength is our seam bowlers, but really I'd only put Mennie, Sayers and Worrall in that category. Andrews should have played ahead of Opie (this was Opie's second game for SA for Christsakes). We just lacked a bit of maturity in the Final. Weathered really threw it away going for the big one to get the century. The one positive of that is that he'll surely never, ever do the same thing again.

Having said all that, most of our squad has a bright future and there's no reason why we can't be challenging for the Shield again next year...

[Jimmy_041]

Sack Chuck

[Bombers4EVA]

Sack the lot of them.